I'm obviously biased as a Rangers fan, but i've seen a lot of Elias in his career, and feel without a doubt he belongs in the HoF.
The numbers aren't gaudy, and I could see where some WC fans don't see what the big deal really is all about, but the guy plays the game at a HoF level, and has done so for a long time.
What do you guys think? He's quietly having a great season and closing in on 1000 points.
I love Patty, but I don't think he belongs in the Hall of Fame. He'll fall just short. Not dominant enough in any year for it, and his career numbers aren't quite good enough either, unless he plays until age 40 or so. He will have his number retired by the Devils, however, and rightfully so.
We're getting into the time where all these guys who played in the dead-puck era and missed a season due to the lockout retiring.
It will be very interesting.
Going by all-star teams, Elias isn't too high, but honestly I can't say he's not in without a doubt.
He may stick around long enough, maybe shore up the number and another Championship.
To his credit he did not play on a high scoring. When you factor in that his numbers are indicative of his system, he certainly seems more Hall of Fame worthy. He's one of the few mainstays of that Devils franchise.
i think he's a long shot, but i won't count him out. i think he's got at least two more years in him, possibly more, and what he does with those years will really make the difference. this will probably be his last great season, but if he can punch in another couple of 45+ point seasons along with another cup before he retires, there would be a chance.
The fact that not many people think he belong in the Hall of Fame really shows how under the rader he's been over his whole career.
Usually that is more of a sing that he is overrated by fans. That is ok, considering that he played all career with the Devils. But i personally think that he lacks some of the "glory" that you should have to be counted in. He has 5 season when he was PPG or higher. Only once broke 40 goals with even 40. Season high 96 points and well below PPG career. He would need a great more longevity a` la Selanne to be inducted. I think that 1000 points is not enough for him, closer to 1200 is needed, for lacking the "high end talent". Very good and solid career and that is what he will be recognized for. I somehow seem to compare his career to Teppo Numminen's. Both were good/very good and both will be remembered in the franchise but never acknowledged as a superstars. Altough, i think Elias is better hockey player than Numminen.
I don't count him out yet, but it is a very long shot for him to get in.
Usually that is more of a sing that he is overrated by fans. That is ok, considering that he played all career with the Devils. But i personally think that he lacks some of the "glory" that you should have to be counted in. He has 5 season when he was PPG or higher. Only once broke 40 goals with even 40. Season high 96 points and well below PPG career. He would need a great more longevity a` la Selanne to be inducted. I think that 1000 points is not enough for him, closer to 1200 is needed, for lacking the "high end talent". Very good and solid career and that is what he will be recognized for. I somehow seem to compare his career to Teppo Numminen's. Both were good/very good and both will be remembered in the franchise but never acknowledged as a superstars. Altough, i think Elias is better hockey player than Numminen.
I don't count him out yet, but it is a very long shot for him to get in.
Whether he plays for the Devils or the Rangers, I would have a hard time not believing a player with his resume' belongs in the Hall of Fame. Probably will score 1000 points and 400 goals, +185, two Cups, great two way player, PP and PK ability, a playoff warrior and a phenomenal player in the clutch, and doesn't take a lot of penalties. 20 goal scorer 10 times (possibly more when it's over) and 4 additional years where he recorded 15+ (one of which he played less than 40 games.) Not to mention his offensive potential was held back because of a defensive system, and he has a great attitude and has played his whole career with one team which are both bonuses to the voters.
Whether he plays for the Devils or the Rangers, I would have a hard time not believing a player with his resume' belongs in the Hall of Fame. Probably will score 1000 points and 400 goals, +185, two Cups, great two way player, PP and PK ability, a playoff warrior and a phenomenal player in the clutch, and doesn't take a lot of penalties. 20 goal scorer 10 times (possibly more when it's over) and 4 additional years where he recorded 15+ (one of which he played less than 40 games.) Not to mention his offensive potential was held back because of a defensive system, and he has a great attitude and has played his whole career with one team which are both bonuses to the voters.
IMO, the guy belongs in the Hall.
I didn't mean that playing with the Devils is the point. Playing with one franchise is the point. Player gets regarded very highly when contributing for one team for a long career. I still don't see his resume being Hall of Fame material.
I am in no way trying to bash the guy. Elias is great. Just not Hall of Fame great.
I don't see what he has done to be considered one of the all time greats that have played the game. He is not top-100 forward all time and probably not top-200 player. He has never been considered the best in the game or top-3 player. He lacks all the individual awards and he is in fact pretty well below PPG. Considering that Paul Kariya is a borderline case, then Elias needs to add quite a lot in his resume to get in. As i said, 1200+ points and he will get consideration.
I didn't mean that playing with the Devils is the point. Playing with one franchise is the point. Player gets regarded very highly when contributing for one team for a long career. I still don't see his resume being Hall of Fame material.
I am in no way trying to bash the guy. Elias is great. Just not Hall of Fame great.
I don't see what he has done to be considered one of the all time greats that have played the game. He is not top-100 forward all time and probably not top-200 player. He has never been considered the best in the game or top-3 player. He lacks all the individual awards and he is in fact pretty well below PPG. Considering that Paul Kariya is a borderline case, then Elias needs to add quite a lot in his resume to get in. As i said, 1200+ points and he will get consideration.
Too many restrictions on who is or isn't. A guy like Paul Kariya or Theo Fleury won't get in even though they were two of the best in the 90s...they need to add honorary mentions or something in the hall of fame.
And that's karma for backstabbing the ducks. Not making any assumptions about him resigning with them, and then the ducks winning a cup or not... but I would wager his career woulda fared better if he stuck on the team that was loyal to him.
If he had 1000 points and an individual award for something, that might get him in. But that's not looking likely which is disappointing to think he won't get in.
i think he's a long shot, but i won't count him out. i think he's got at least two more years in him, possibly more, and what he does with those years will really make the difference. this will probably be his last great season, but if he can punch in another couple of 45+ point seasons along with another cup before he retires, there would be a chance.
I thought he would fall off before this, but he's still going strong with his scoring. Never know how long he can stay effective. 1000 points isn't out of the question.
Finished in the top 10 in the league in points just twice.
Scored 40 goals once in a season where 13 players scored 40 or more.
3 all-star games, 1 first team all-star.
2 cups.
Not in the hall. He has had a great career and he's a guy everyone wished played for their team the last 15 years, but no, not a HoF player.
