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04-14-2012, 06:22 PM
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What do you think Voracek's rights would be worth, assuming they don't have the room to resign him?

I have a feeling they'd want a blue-chip D prospect.
Not sure I'd want to give up Oleksiak for RFA rights.
I agree too. Of course, Toronto fans will want Burke to deal away "The Jessie Blacker"++(+) for Brayden Schenn, as if that will lead to some celestial configuration by uniting him with his brother), but realistically, I see one of the Leafs' defensive prospects, from a rather deep pool, and a draft pick heading to Philly for JvR. Toronto needs that secondary scoring and Holmgren will look to stock up his d-corps, without adding salary.

And yes, I am not giving up Oleksiak for Voracek.

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I agree too. Of course, Toronto fans will want Burke to deal away "The Jessie Blacker"++(+) for Brayden Schenn, as if that will lead to some celestial configuration by uniting him with his brother), but realistically, I see one of the Leafs' defensive prospects, from a rather deep pool, and a draft pick heading to Philly for JvR. Toronto needs that secondary scoring and Holmgren will look to stock up his d-corps, without adding salary.

And yes, I am not giving up Oleksiak for Voracek.
Blacker and a 2nd isn't worth Voracek. Blacker is severely overrated by Leafs' fans.

That said, I don't think Nemeth and a 2nd would get it done either.

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Good point. I had forgotten about that. The Stars could potentially be in a very good position this summer. There are a few teams that could be in cap trouble with the new CBA. It would be nice if Dallas could use that to leverage a favorable trade or two, or sign someone like Parise.
Top 10 Potential Teams in Cap Danger


Assumptions:

1) After the new CBA, the cap falls to $60 million.

2) Brian Burke is correct, and you can't just bury veterans on one-way contracts anymore to solve cap problems.

3) Adjusted Payroll - I don't know if they bonus cushion is coming back so the adjusted payroll is the team's cap situation if the bonus cushion comes back. In some cases, I'll also list potential LTIR candidates.

#10 Boston Bruins
Payroll: $56,448,810 with 16 players
Adjusted Payroll: $49,591,667 (Savard LTIR, Bonus money for Seguin, Caron)
Key Unsigned Players: Kelly, Rask
Likely Trade Targets: Horton ($4,000,000), Caron ($1,100,000), Pouliot (RFA), Tim Thomas ($5,000,000)

No major players are unsigned, and they have enough cap space to fill out the roster. They're in pretty good shape unless they want to acquire an impact (high cap hit) player.

#9 LA Kings
Payroll: $54,245,227 with 20 players
Adjusted Payroll: $54,115,227 (Bonus money for Clifford)
Key Unsigned Players: Penner, Stoll
Likely Trade Targets: Williams ($3,650,000), Gagne ($3,500,000), Brown ($3,175,000), Scuderi ($3,400,000), Greene ($2,950,000), Bernier ($1,250,000)

See Boston.

#8 San Jose Sharks
Payroll: $55,564,167 with 14 players
Adjusted Payroll: $55,564,167
Key Unsigned Players: Braun
Likely Trade Targets: N/A

See Boston.

#7 Philadelphia Flyers
Payroll: $61,218,373 with 20 players
Adjusted Payroll: $52,741,944 (Pronger LTIR, Bonus money for Bobrovsky, Couturier, and Schenn)
Key Unsigned Players: Jagr, Voracek, Kubina, and Carle
Likely Trade Targets: Voracek (RFA), Van Riemsdyk ($4,250,000), Meszaros ($4,000,000)

Definitely the most complicated. They have a ton of cap hits, but Pronger's health and the bonus cushion will have a major impact.

#6 NY Rangers
Payroll: $54,358,334 with 15 players
Adjusted Payroll: $53,745,834 (Bonus money for Hagelin, McDonagh)
Key Unsigned Players: Fedotenko, Del Zotto
Likely Trade Targets: Dubinsky ($4,200,000), Anisimov ($1,875,000), Boyle ($1,700,000), Rupp ($1,500,000)

See Chicago. I'll add though that Redden doesn't hurt their financial position too much, and he may not even count depending on how CBA negotiations go. Acquiring Nash wouldn't hurt them much either since Dubinsky would probably be going the other way.

#5 Vancouver Canucks
Payroll: $55,078,333 with 17 players
Adjusted Payroll: $55,078,333
Key Unsigned Players: Phalsson, Raymond, Salo, Schneider
Likely Trade Targets: Schneider (RFA), Raymond (RFA), Malhotra ($2,500,000), Ballard ($4,200,000)

See Boston.

#4 Chicago Blackhawks
Payroll: $57,456,794 with 20 players
Adjusted Payroll: $56,809,294 (Bonus money for Hayes, Leddy, Olsen)
Key Unsigned Players: N/A
Likely Trade Targets: Bolland ($3,375,000), Frolik ($2,333,333), Hjalmarsson ($3,500,000), Montador ($2,750,000)

See Boston.

#3 Buffalo Sabres
Payroll: $57,812,856 with 18 players
Adjusted Payroll: $56,752,856 (Bonus money for Hodgson, McNabb)
Key Unsigned Players: Hecht, Ennis, Kaleta
Likely Trade Targets: Leino ($4,500,000), Roy ($4,000,000), Stafford ($4,000,000), Leopold ($3,000,000), Sekera ($2,750,000)

After a very disappointing year, they'll probably cut payroll and not spend nearly as much. They have to move someone just to re-sign their players and fill out the roster.

#2 Toronto Maple Leafs
Payroll: $56,703,333 with 17 players
Adjusted Payroll: $56,490,833 (Bonus money for Gardiner)
Key Unsigned Players: Kulemin, Frattin, Franson, Gustavsson
Likely Trade Targets: Connolly ($4,750,000), Lombardi ($3,500,000), MacArthur ($3,250,000), Armstrong ($3,000,000), Komisarek ($4,500,000)

No key member of the team is unsigned, but like Pittsburgh, they don't have much room to make changes. They also have probably the least desirable players with the highest cap hits of the rest of the teams in the Top 10.

#1 Pittsburgh Penguins
Payroll: $59,566,667 with 18 players
Adjusted Payroll: $59,566,667
Key Unsigned Players: Sullivan, Niskanen
Likely Trade Targets: Kunitz ($3,725,000), Kennedy ($2,000,000), Cooke ($1,800,000), Dupris ($1,500,000), Martin ($5,000,000), Michalek ($4,000,000), Orpik ($3,750,000)

All of their key players are really signed, but they need to fill out the roster and have no room to do it. They also don't have the cap space right now to make major changes if they get embarrassed by Phili and knocked out in 4 or 5. They'd either have to go into next year with a similar roster or trade several players.

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04-14-2012, 06:39 PM
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Blacker and a 2nd isn't worth Voracek. Blacker is severely overrated by Leafs' fans.

That said, I don't think Nemeth and a 2nd would get it done either.
I never mentioned Voracek.

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I never mentioned Voracek.
Oh, my bad, meant Schenn.

Schenn should be even more valuable than Voracek.

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#7 Philadelphia Flyers
Payroll: $61,218,373 with 20 players
Adjusted Payroll: $52,741,944 (Pronger LTIR, Bonus money for Bobrovsky, Couturier, and Schenn)
Key Unsigned Players: Jagr, Voracek, Kubina, and Carle
Likely Trade Targets: Voracek (RFA), Van Riemsdyk ($4,250,000), Meszaros ($4,000,000)
Hmm... i like these odds. Having JVR on Benns wing would be good. But i would prefer Parise on Benns wing. JVR would be a good 2nd line winger to Ryder and Ribs (if not traded)

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Oh, my bad, meant Schenn.

Schenn should be even more valuable than Voracek.
That is why I said "Toronto fans will want Burke to deal away "The Jessie Blacker"++(+) for Brayden Schenn..." Maybe could have helped drive the point that that statement was sarcastic.

I do agree. For me it is Schenn>Voracek>JvR. Would you do Schenn for Nemeth + 1st (2012)? Or is that overpayment?

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That is why I said "Toronto fans will want Burke to deal away "The Jessie Blacker"++(+) for Brayden Schenn..." Maybe could have helped drive the point that that statement was sarcastic.

I do agree. For me it is Schenn>Voracek>JvR. Would you do Schenn for Nemeth + 1st (2012)? Or is that overpayment?
I'd do it, but I doubt Philly would. He's been really good this playoff series and is a huge part of their future.

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I do agree. For me it is Schenn>Voracek>JvR. Would you do Schenn for Nemeth + 1st (2012)? Or is that overpayment?
It's not an overpayment, and it's not enough to land Schenn, IMO.

The team probably sees the players the same way or Schenn > and Voracek and JVR being a wash. There's no reason for them to trade Schenn when their are better options.

Schenn is playing the 6th most minutes for forwards on Phili's team in the playoffs. Regardless of his current production, his long-term potential is greater than Voracek and JVR partly because he's a center.

Schenn would be the best player for Dallas .. I do agree with that, but he's not a realistic target, IMO.

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Schenn would be the best player for Dallas .. I do agree with that, but he's not a realistic target, IMO.
yeah i certainly agree with this, it would take larsen+ first to even get the conversation started for schenn

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yeah i certainly agree with this, it would take larsen+ first to even get the conversation started for schenn
Let's offer them goose, instead. It's evident they love taking on pittsburghs scraps.

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Dallas needs to sign him regardless of what they do with Ott, but Jim Slater would be an ideal Ott replacement should they trade him. Slater is a checking line forward for Winnipeg.

Of third line players or better, he started the the fewest percentage of shifts in the offensive zone (28.5%), but he managed to finish in the offensive zone 40.4% of the time. He also draws more penalties than he takes. He took over 1100 faceoffs with a 54.42%. He also had 163 hits and 73 blocked shots.

He made $1.1 million last year, and he seems like one of the better defensive forwards in free agency. However, I think you will probably see him get $1.5 to $2.25 million on average.

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Dallas needs to sign him regardless of what they do with Ott, but Jim Slater would be an ideal Ott replacement should they trade him. Slater is a checking line forward for Winnipeg.

Of third line players or better, he started the the fewest percentage of shifts in the offensive zone (28.5%), but he managed to finish in the offensive zone 40.4% of the time. He also draws more penalties than he takes. He took over 1100 faceoffs with a 54.42%. He also had 163 hits and 73 blocked shots.

He made $1.1 million last year, and he seems like one of the better defensive forwards in free agency. However, I think you will probably see him get $1.5 to $2.25 million on average.
oh man those are some sexy stats would be great if we could sign him for like 1.75

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I've always been under the impression that Jim slater is the least talked about player in the NHL.

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Dallas needs to sign him regardless of what they do with Ott, but Jim Slater would be an ideal Ott replacement should they trade him. Slater is a checking line forward for Winnipeg.
Oh noozzzz...Ott is da best. Fire Nieuwendyk if he trades him.

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Hell why not. Trade Ott in the offseason to get a defenseman or go against a cap team like philly for someone good, sign Slater to replace him. ??? PROFIT?

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Slater is realllly good. Picked him up a few times during the HFStars Fantasy season. He's a beast on Faceoffs.

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Would love Slater. He'd give us some awesome depth with Ott, Fiddler, and Vincour already in as great 3rd liners. He'd also replace Burish in the face-offs department.

As for Schenn, I think it'd be Oleksiak + 1st for him, which isn't okay. Just too much.

Nemeth + 1st is probably what it'd take for Voracek or JVR. Maybe, if we're lucky, we send them our 2nd instead of a 1st. Wouldn't mind throwing a prospect winger their way either, if we can lower the pick or take it out entirely.

Thinking about that, I wonder how much they'd value Glennie, especially with them having Schenn.

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I'm not even sure Oleksiak + 1st is enough for Schenn. You guys are really underrating what he means to the Flyers organization.

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I'm not even sure Oleksiak + 1st is enough for Schenn. You guys are really underrating what he means to the Flyers organization.
Exactly. I meant for them to even consider it. They're depth down the middle is unreal, and it'll only get better.

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I'm not even sure Oleksiak + 1st is enough for Schenn. You guys are really underrating what he means to the Flyers organization.
Not underrating. I already said Schenn>Voracek>JvR, but hey, if Oleksiak+1st isn't enough then that's just fine. I am not giving up Oleksiak either.

I'll probably consider JvR for a cheaper sacrifice.

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http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/hea...-are-dicey.ece

I"d like to read this article but its for subscribers. If anyone is subbed to the DMN then post the full article.

But from the looks of it without a set cap they can't set course for whom they will sign or pursue.

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http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/hea...-are-dicey.ece

I"d like to read this article but its for subscribers. If anyone is subbed to the DMN then post the full article.

But from the looks of it without a set cap they can't set course for whom they will sign or pursue.
Basically the cba expires and that is an issue with a picture of Parise

so nothing worthwhile

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Looking over the teams, this off-season should really be quite entertaining.

Suter and Parise could move.
Iginla and Nash could very well be sporting different jerseys.
Where will the Coyotes end up playing next season?
What changes could a first round exit (Sweep?) bring for Vancouver, San Jose, and/or Pittsburgh?

Exciting stuff.

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