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04-05-2012, 04:49 AM
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With that being said, not loving the job he's done so far with the Leafs. Not *HATING* it either, we've had plenty of worse GMs, and we have a lot more talent than when he took over, but as I outlined earlier, I don't love the big picture. Still, his professional decisions and his personal character are completely separate issues, and I don't see why anyone would call him"an unacceptable human being."
If we had the lowest paid GM in the league, with the lowest paid scouting department, with the lowest paid front office, with the ability to only spend to the cap basement...

and our team had recently finished 7th last, 2nd last, 9th last, (and bottom 5?), I would STILL expect our team have MUCH more elite prospect depth, and to still be higher in the standings.
I would still expect MUCH more than what we are.

But when you add to the fact that it's the highest paid GM in the sports entire history, that he can spend right to the cap ceiling, the highest paid scouting department, and highest paid front office...
it's just getting downright embarrassing.

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No one outside Toronto really understands what's going on. Burke has had success everywhere he's gone and seemed to be the ideal candidate to manage the Leafs when he was hired. The only thing I wonder is whether he was given a free hand to do a conventional draft and development based rebuild or if the suits forced his hand?

The Kessel trade sure is curious isn't it.

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04-05-2012, 06:18 AM
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I think we need to add in the fact that Burke is the highest paid GM in the entire history of the NHL.
When a player is paid exceptional amounts of money, we expect results on the scoresheet.
So when a GM is the highest paid in the entire history of the sport, we expect results in the standings.

Let's also add the fact that Burke has a tremendous financial advantage over the vast majority of the other GM's in the league. He can spend right to the cap ceiling, has the highest paid scouting department, and has the highest paid front office.

All of this added together, and we still haven't shown ANY improvement in the standings since he arrived, and we STILL don't have a single blue chip prospect.

What Burke has done is disgraceful. He's an unacceptable human being and should be run permanently out of town.
Now that is a good post. Exactly .

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Now that is a good post. Exactly .
if this was a results orientated bussiness .....hed have to be canned .but unless revenues goes down and u got some sucker willing to take 3 million a year to deflect criticism ,that can spin his own arficial deadlines ,can brag about how many 1st rounders his marquis players could ve gathered ..we their u have it
how many lottery teams have 3 gm's .an assistant and host of other expert coaches etc ...
seems the only one who earned his money was dallas eakins and he got bent over .
burke just is overated ...he isnt great .he obviously needs help which right there should be a red flag .any way u slice it ....this is a bad as the rick vaive years ....great winger and crappy everything else!!!!!!!!!

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I think we need to add in the fact that Burke is the highest paid GM in the entire history of the NHL.
When a player is paid exceptional amounts of money, we expect results on the scoresheet.
So when a GM is the highest paid in the entire history of the sport, we expect results in the standings.

Let's also add the fact that Burke has a tremendous financial advantage over the vast majority of the other GM's in the league. He can spend right to the cap ceiling, has the highest paid scouting department, and has the highest paid front office.

All of this added together, and we still haven't shown ANY improvement in the standings since he arrived, and we STILL don't have a single blue chip prospect.

What Burke has done is disgraceful. He's an unacceptable human being and should be run permanently out of town.

The Red Wings are one of the pioneers of spending money. In the 80's their owner told their management to simply go out and put together the best team possible, money is no object. Look how long it took them to become a contender and win the Stanley Cup.

Paying a GM a lot of money is not the same as paying a player a lot of money. A player can immediately go out there and start scoring goals or stopping pucks.

If the Leafs went out and paid Ken Holland $10 million per year to come over here, would he turn the Leafs into a great team immediately or would it take a while just like it did with his current team?

Since there is a salary cap and the "Yankees" argument can't be used, so now Burke has this "dramatic" advantage because he can spend money on the front office and scouting, and he can spend to the cap. You mean all the way to the whole cap? Great, so can half the league. It's not like the Leafs are the only team near the cap and tens of millions more than the next highest team. The BJ's, Lightning, and Ducks for example are spending within a few million.

Even though the Leafs have the financial clout, this isn't soccer where you can just buy a team. These things take time.

For all the talk constantly hear about Leafs fans are patient, I just don't see it. Calling him an unacceptable human being is just icing on the cake.

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The whole, not doing retirement contracts is another big criticism.

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I agree it's unfair to criticize on specific free agents without all the details but Burke admits one of the 2 reasons he didn't sign Richards is his unwillingness to structure a contract the way the Rangers did with Richards and the Devils did with Kovalchuk. These contracts are completely legal and Burke is absolutely open to criticism for creating his own handicap for the Leafs when signing players.
We should just check with Lou Lamoriello before we agree... hmm... the NHL seems to have a differing opinion.

Oh, and what's that? The upcoming CBA is rumoured to be crushing that loop-hole and there may even be a review of the Richards/Carter/Luongo/Datsyuk style contracts, and NO GRANDFATHERING of them into the new CBA...

That's awfully contradictive of your original statement, that they are LEGAL.

They're not legal, they contravene the MESSAGE of the current CBA, they will be stopped in future CBAs and there may still be penalties applied to GMs who've risked signing players to them.

Has every GM but Burke signed players to these contracts? No, there are more GMs without players on these contracts than GMs with them. The GMs with these contracts are, for the most part, GMs with teams competing NOW for Stanley Cups, desperation attempts to try and get that little extra edge.

Burke is a man of principle and time will tell if that is truely a mark to be measured by.

As it stands, right now, it would appear that GMs are getting away with their "loophole".

Won't it be a treat if Toronto is one of only 16-20 teams that get a 1st round pick in the 2013 draft...

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We should just check with Lou Lamoriello before we agree... hmm... the NHL seems to have a differing opinion.

Oh, and what's that? The upcoming CBA is rumoured to be crushing that loop-hole and there may even be a review of the Richards/Carter/Luongo/Datsyuk style contracts, and NO GRANDFATHERING of them into the new CBA...

That's awfully contradictive of your original statement, that they are LEGAL.

They're not legal, they contravene the MESSAGE of the current CBA, they will be stopped in future CBAs and there may still be penalties applied to GMs who've risked signing players to them.

Has every GM but Burke signed players to these contracts? No, there are more GMs without players on these contracts than GMs with them. The GMs with these contracts are, for the most part, GMs with teams competing NOW for Stanley Cups, desperation attempts to try and get that little extra edge.

Burke is a man of principle and time will tell if that is truely a mark to be measured by.

As it stands, right now, it would appear that GMs are getting away with their "loophole".

Won't it be a treat if Toronto is one of only 16-20 teams that get a 1st round pick in the 2013 draft...

You think the Players Association and the 30 Owners are going to agree to a CBA that punishes almost half the franchises for Contracts the league approved?

What about all the teams that buried contracts in the minors, thats a "loophole". If you added Jeff Finger and Colton Orr's contracts to the Leafs right now, they are over the Cap... do you think the Leafs are going to lose their 1st round pick?

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04-05-2012, 03:02 PM
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That actually doesn't bother me. Most of the time lower end 1st round pics don't amount to much.
While I don't disagree....kind of flies in the face of all the idiots who discredit Pat Quinn for trading away 1st rounders when the Leafs were posting 100 point seasons. Remember Quinn? That horrible GM/Coach who on two occassions took the Leafs to the final four but helped leave the "cupboards empty" for poor ole Burkie.

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