Lengthy interview with Gillis on Team 1130 this morning about Luongo and Schneider - there is no goalie controversy. It is in the minds of the fans and the media not the team: http://www.teamradio.ca/wp-content/u...nd-Company.mp3
Retarded to boo the guy...absolutely retarded. These corporate suit guys are just bandwagoners and it is embarrassing having them represent our fanbase.
or you know, fans who decided that Luongo was and is a massive choker around the time he got blown out of the playoffs for the third straight time.
Lengthy interview with Gillis on Team 1130 this morning about Luongo and Schneider - there is no goalie controversy. It is in the minds of the fans and the media not the team: http://www.teamradio.ca/wp-content/u...nd-Company.mp3
Thats fine.
Hopefully they will come to their senses as soon as Luongo has his first playoff implosion of the year.
I don't want to speculate about what the fans were thinking when they cheered the goalie change last night. Mind-reading is not really in my tool-box of super-powers, unfortunately.
That said, I think some may have been bronx cheering, others welcoming Schneider, others showing contempt for Luongo because they assumed goals #3 and #4 were his fault, as the the first softie was.
So, without the benefit of instant replay and instant analysis of talking heads...the fans lashed out is frustration. It happens.
I can't say I wasn't a little glad to see AV do something either. I certainly don't fault Luongo though. He wasn't getting ANY help in front of the net before he was pulled. Grganani, was simply awful in his defencive positioning that allowed clear looks and point blank chances on net.
The forwards weren't great either. I'm sure most people will recall Booth's feeble attempt to 'battle' for a puck along the boards, before losing the battle and letting a guy get past him, which led to goal.
Bottom line, the team eeked out a win...Luongo was irrationally blamed by the in-house fans, AV made a 'shakeup' decision, early, for a change. The players responded. Schneider was solid, and the Canucks barely won.
There is no controversy. We have two excellent goaltenders. We may not be able to keep both. One may be leaving us...but for now, we have them both, and it seems the coaching staff isn't afraid of making either one the starter or the reliever at any point of a game, or on a game per game basis either.
I'm confident with either goalie in net. If one stumbles, i'm confident the other can come in and 'clean up' and give our forwards and defencmen a chance to win.
I don't want to speculate about what the fans were thinking when they cheered the goalie change last night. Mind-reading is not really in my tool-box of super-powers, unfortunately.
That said, I think some may have been bronx cheering, others welcoming Schneider, others showing contempt for Luongo because they assumed goals #3 and #4 were his fault, as the the first softie was.
So, without the benefit of instant replay and instant analysis of talking heads...the fans lashed out is frustration. It happens.
I can't say I wasn't a little glad to see AV do something either. I certainly don't fault Luongo though. He wasn't getting ANY help in front of the net before he was pulled. Grganani, was simply awful in his defencive positioning that allowed clear looks and point blank chances on net.
The forwards weren't great either. I'm sure most people will recall Booth's feeble attempt to 'battle' for a puck along the boards, before losing the battle and letting a guy get past him, which led to goal.
Bottom line, the team eeked out a win...Luongo was irrationally blamed by the in-house fans, AV made a 'shakeup' decision, early, for a change. The players responded. Schneider was solid, and the Canucks barely won.
There is no controversy. We have two excellent goaltenders. We may not be able to keep both. One may be leaving us...but for now, we have them both, and it seems the coaching staff isn't afraid of making either one the starter or the reliever at any point of a game, or on a game per game basis either.
I'm confident with either goalie in net. If one stumbles, i'm confident the other can come in and 'clean up' and give our forwards and defencmen a chance to win.
Just my 2 cents.
Malhotra says he was irked at the fan reaction last night when Luongo got the hook. Fans forget Luongo played extremely well for the past while, stood on his head and won games. See the 10:20 mark of the interview: http://www.teamradio.ca/wp-content/u...nd-Company.mp3
Malhotra says he was irked at the fan reaction last night when Luongo got the hook. Fans forget Luongo played extremely well for the past while, stood on his head and won games. See the 10:20 mark of the interview: http://www.teamradio.ca/wp-content/u...nd-Company.mp3
Some fans always forget.
Parts of the fanbase have had and will continue to have the mentality of "What have you done for me lately??".
Others are just complete morons, who don't have a clue, and seem to be freshly released from Pavlov's labs, whose only positive reactions and attitudes are induced by a flashing red light, a horn, and "Vamanos, Vamanos.."
Most Canuck fans, that i've borne witness to, aren't hockey saavy, from what i've read at various Canuck themed sites. They simply have an internet connection, a knowledge of the basics of the game, and an emotionally based opinion.
Parts of the fanbase have had and will continue to have the mentality of "What have you done for me lately??".
Others are just complete morons, who don't have a clue, and seem to be freshly released from Pavlov's labs, whose only positive reactions and attitudes are induced by a flashing red light, a horn, and "Vamanos, Vamanos.."
Most Canuck fans, that i've borne witness to, aren't hockey saavy, from what i've read at various Canuck themed sites. They simply have an internet connection, a knowledge of the basics of the game, and an emotionally based opinion.
Malhotra says he was irked at the fan reaction last night when Luongo got the hook. Fans forget Luongo played extremely well for the past while, stood on his head and won games. See the 10:20 mark of the interview: http://www.teamradio.ca/wp-content/u...nd-Company.mp3
Manny wasn't around when the Blackhawks were putting up TD's in elimination games against us.
Glad to see that board isn't completely full of mouth-breathing idiots who can't grasp the concept of a TEAM game. Which is more than I can say (ironically) for callers on the TEAM 1040. I feel I'm losing IQ points just from hearing the average Vancouverite weigh in on the situation who form their opinions on smoke, mirrors, slander, and manipulation that select media personalities throw out there hoping some two-bit moron will be dumb enough to think they are an expert.
Luongo would be crucified for a game like that. Having the lead 3 times and blowing it twice due to stick-handling, then getting injured. I'm not saying this is the right way to judge either of the goalies but obviously Schneider has the advantage when people are actually willing to look at his play objectively.
As for the 5-on-3, you make it seems as if Luongo has never been amazing on a 5-on-3.
Schneider was **** on for that...not sure where you were, every lou fan with a voice on the internet was dissing him as not even in lous league and a complete joke he was used for playoffs.
That game gets brought up often to this day by certain fans, i always see it popping up.
But you also need to keep in mind your comparing a low level rookie, to a high paid franchise player.
Schneider was **** on for that...not sure where you were, every lou fan with a voice on the internet was dissing him as not even in lous league and a complete joke he was used for playoffs.
That game gets brought up often to this day by certain fans, i always see it popping up.
But you also need to keep in mind your comparing a low level rookie, to a high paid franchise player.
The story was Luongo "blowing" it in OT rather than Schneider. I'm not sure where you got that Schneider got a lot of criticism for that game.
This thread probably should have been made before I had to add a chunk of people to my ignore list so I could read yesterdays gdt, but oh well, haha.
Lui seems to rebound well, I'm sure he'll be fine. I do hate the way some Canucks fans treat some of our players though, sometimes it just seems they want them to fail so they can be proven "right." I hope every player in a Canucks uniform plays well every time they're on the ice. I don't care if we win a cup with Lu or Schneids or a giant sumo wrestler in net. I just want to win it. Getting down on our players doesn't help them do that.
Saw the game last night. From home, I was cherring when Schneider was put into the game. I wouldn't have booed Lu, but I would be clapping for the entry of Schneider.
Let's take a breath here and look back at what has happened this season.
The Canucks have pulled goalies a total of 5 times this season for poor performance by goalie/team. Recapping:
Edm - 3-0 in the 2nd, they score 2 goals and Burrows rings one off the crossbar in the 3rd that could have tied it. Schneider robs Eberle with one of the best saves of the year to keep it close. Team responded well after the goalie change.
Ana - 4-0 going into the 3rd. Team explodes for 20 odd shots in the 3rd to score 3 goals and had a couple of good chances to tie the game up late.
Nas - 3-0 after 1, roared back in the 2nd with 5 goals. Go into the 3rd tied, only to lose in the final 1.5 minutes. This time with Lu coming in.
Buf - 3-0 after 6 minutes. Rally, but end up losing 4-3. No real chance to tie the game
Ana - 4-2 in the 2nd when change is made. Rally to score 2 goals to tie the game and win in SO.
Cory comes in and the team outscores the oppositon 10-1, but only manage to come away with 2 points in 4 tries. Down by 2, 3 twice, and 4 goals when he enters. Last night was the only time they were able to tie the game with him coming in. Lu comes in and the team scores 5-3, but still lose the game. In that game, the Nucks actually take the lead at one point.
So, for me, I was happy to see AV step up and make a decision to give his team a chance to win the game. His option at the time was either a goalie swap or a timeout. He opted for the goalie change. He's finally realizing that 2 goals is the most you can afford to be down by and still have a chance to win the game. Hoping that he does this in the playoffs if needed, same as splitting up the twins if they aren't going well on the same line.
That's why I was happy to see the change.
Were the Nucks going to come back on the Ducks with Lu in net? Who knows. But, they needed something to kick start them.
Some posters have said, we still don't know enough about Cory's weaknesses. That's true. But, what we know about Lu won't be changing anytime soon. Do we really expect at age 33, that we have seen the last of the belly flop, the weak lateral movement, weak glove in terms of catching pucks, struggles to pick up the puck in scrums in front of the net & having pucks go through him in those scrums?
In terms of Lu's contract, factor this in. Brodeur is 7 years his senior. Lu has 6 more seasons where his salary is $6.7 million. That 6th year, he'll turn 39 in April. Brodeur last season turned 39. That gives you a base to compare what Lu might be able to do at that age. Brodeur turns 40 this year, the year at Lu earns $3.4 million, which would be the final year he'll play under that contract, since he'll drop to $1.6 million, then $1 million over the final 3 years. That's a legit concern when thinking about the contract and who to retain.
As for a return, if you're talking about trading Cory, I can't imagine fans being ok with a high draft pick. In this draft, there's no Larsson or Landeskog who can jump right and give you big minutes. TB, they sit at #9 right now. If that's the main piece coming back, not enough for the fans to see Cory leave. Has to be a good young Dman or forward coming back as the main part of the deal. So, is it likely that Gillis can pull that kind of deal off?
Things are going to get really ugly for Luongo if Schneider gets traded and Lu stays, which will probably lead to a trade request and the team losing both goalies in the end.
The best thing for the team would be to start Schneider in the playoffs right from game one. Luongo would likely not be happy being a backup and would request a trade in the offseason. Besides, as good as Luongo has been for the bulk of the season, Schneider has been better and seems to give the team the best chance to win. Given their respective ages, I do not see this reversing again.
I guess the downside to clearly making Schneider the number one in this year's playoffs is that it would give him significant bargaining power in the offseason. Better to get him under contract if possible before looking to move Lu.
BTW, I don't think Luongo deserved to be booed last night.
Great Joke.
