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You would have to overpay for Iggy, no question. The only way the Wings would do this is if Lidstrom and Stuart stayed or they could fit a good FA defenseman on the team, but that's two good prospects and a promising defenseman. picks would probably be conditional.
You would have to overpay for Iggy, no question. The only way the Wings would do this is if Lidstrom and Stuart stayed or they could fit a good FA defenseman on the team, but that's two good prospects and a promising defenseman. picks would probably be conditional.
1st would need to be a guarantee but 2nd can be conditional on how far the wings go or if Iggy resigns.
1st would need to be a guarantee but 2nd can be conditional on how far the wings go or if Iggy resigns.
Fair enough. This would definitely be a very high risk, very high reward trade and probably on draft day. The way I see it is this. The Wings with Iggy could have an absolutely elite top 6 and dominant bottom six. This trade only happens if Lids comes back and the cap goes up, but I think it's a win for both teams. Can we throw Danny Cleary on there?
Fair enough. This would definitely be a very high risk, very high reward trade and probably on draft day. The way I see it is this. The Wings with Iggy could have an absolutely elite top 6 and dominant bottom six. This trade only happens if Lids comes back and the cap goes up, but I think it's a win for both teams. Can we throw Danny Cleary on there?
Fair enough. This would definitely be a very high risk, very high reward trade and probably on draft day. The way I see it is this. The Wings with Iggy could have an absolutely elite top 6 and dominant bottom six. This trade only happens if Lids comes back and the cap goes up, but I think it's a win for both teams. Can we throw Danny Cleary on there?
>A bottom-pairing defensemen in Kindl (we have plenty, no worries there).
>Hudon, a forward who put up 5 points in 34 games in the Q this year (hardly a 'nice prospect')
>Pulkkinen is decent (not great, decent) but his drop in production this year is a little concerning. Between Backlund, Horak, and Reinhart, I think we're okay on guys that project to be #2-3 centreman.
>A pretty late 1st
>A late 2nd
We're not even getting a single one of Detroit's top prospects (Nyquist or Smith). At that cost, I'd much rather keep Iginla. Trading him for the sake of trading him would significantly set back the organization (look at the Phaneuf fleecing). Late firsts and seconds are really not that valuable.
>A bottom-pairing defensemen in Kindl (we have plenty, no worries there).
>Hudon, a forward who put up 5 points in 34 games in the Q this year (hardly a 'nice prospect')
>Pulkkinen is decent (not great, decent) but his drop in production this year is a little concerning. Between Backlund, Horak, and Reinhart, I think we're okay on guys that project to be #2-3 centreman.
>A pretty late 1st
>A late 2nd
We're not even getting a single one of Detroit's top prospects (Nyquist or Smith). At that cost, I'd much rather keep Iginla. Trading him for the sake of trading him would significantly set back the organization (look at the Phaneuf fleecing). Late firsts and seconds are really not that valuable.
Agreed, outside of the late first there is next to no intrigue from my perspective.
Agreed, outside of the late first there is next to no intrigue from my perspective.
Easy pass.
pretty much. I really think in terms of assets, St. Louis is our best match (although their budget situation could screw that up) as they have forward prospects they can deal and have a strong enough prospect base where losing a couple high picks will hurt them. I also think they are primed for a 1st round upset (just a feeling Blues fans, no disrespect intended) so maybe they might be willing to push harder for a top end player to push them over that hump.
Nashville is interesting too, but their best trade chips are on the blueline and they may not be willing to move another 1st rounder since they have traded away their past 2.
Caps are interesting if only for the fact they have 2 mid round firsts this year and a couple interesting prospects.
Beyond that I don't see many fits where they could afford to make such a deal while it still be good for the Flames.
I know the Bruins and Wings come up often but I am not big on the prospects of either team and they very well could have the 29th and 30th picks in this years draft.
and to think outside the box, the Canucks could be a good fit in terms of picks/prospects and roster players, but it would be a PR disaster IMO.
What if the Flames traded Iggy to a contender, but with the intention of re-signing him July 1?
Picture this, Flames trade Iggy to, for arguments sake say, Pittsburgh. And for that deal I saw in this post earlier - Staal and a 1st. But Feaster & King sit down in a room with Iggy and tell him that if he goes and plays for the Pens for a year, possibly win a cup, and that come July 1 - he has a contract waiting for him.
3 years - 15 million, and he retires a Flame.
In the interim, Flames reload (not rebuild), sign a FA or two, make a deal or two, and when Iggy comes back, maybe the Flames are in a position to make some noise in the playoffs.
They would have a legit #1 center, Baertchi with a full season under his belt, 3 1st rounders Pitts 2012, Cgy 2012, Cgy 2013) and whatever else Feaster can do to help this team. (ie - trades, signings).
The future improves without tanking like the Oilers do.
Agreed. I've always thought about a gentleman's agreement between Iginla and the organization where Iginla gets a crack with a contender and then comes back on July 1st. In the mean time Feaster makes some shrewd trades/signings/draft selections to improve the future of the organization. I doubt the Flames have thought about the idea as this deadline would have been the ideal opportunity to do it. A bidding war for Iginla at the deadline would have gotten Calgary some excellent futures and Iginla would get two opportunities with a contender instead of one.
pretty much. I really think in terms of assets, St. Louis is our best match (although their budget situation could screw that up) as they have forward prospects they can deal and have a strong enough prospect base where losing a couple high picks will hurt them. I also think they are primed for a 1st round upset (just a feeling Blues fans, no disrespect intended) so maybe they might be willing to push harder for a top end player to push them over that hump.
Nashville is interesting too, but their best trade chips are on the blueline and they may not be willing to move another 1st rounder since they have traded away their past 2.
Caps are interesting if only for the fact they have 2 mid round firsts this year and a couple interesting prospects.
Beyond that I don't see many fits where they could afford to make such a deal while it still be good for the Flames.
I know the Bruins and Wings come up often but I am not big on the prospects of either team and they very well could have the 29th and 30th picks in this years draft.
and to think outside the box, the Canucks could be a good fit in terms of picks/prospects and roster players, but it would be a PR disaster IMO.
No offense taken at the playoff prediction but the Blues aren't giving up "a couple high picks" for Iginla, period. Other teams would pay more for Iginla than the Blues, and we painstakingly outlined our situation earlier in the thread, not because it's just some opinion, those wingers are all really under contract for next year and Iginla DID lose at least 20-25% of his valuable playoff runs by not being moved this year. You guys kinda blew it by waiting too long. It was a gamble to make the playoffs and losing that gamble set the franchise back. Trading Iginla at this deadline would've given an acquiring team two guaranteed runs with him barring injury. That's halved to one now. The price has dropped for him significantly.
Because of the non-theoretical, very real financial situation, dealing Iginla to the Blues means unless you take Stewart back in the deal + either a) a worse prospect than Rattie or b) one 1st, it isn't happening. I think you guys can perhaps get better offers elsewhere so I expect nothing to go down.
No offense taken at the playoff prediction but the Blues aren't giving up "a couple high picks" for Iginla, period. Other teams would pay more for Iginla than the Blues, and we painstakingly outlined our situation earlier in the thread, not because it's just some opinion, those wingers are all really under contract for next year and Iginla DID lose at least 20-25% of his valuable playoff runs by not being moved this year. You guys kinda blew it by waiting too long. It was a gamble to make the playoffs and losing that gamble set the franchise back. Trading Iginla at this deadline would've given an acquiring team two guaranteed runs with him barring injury. That's halved to one now. The price has dropped for him significantly.
Because of the non-theoretical, very real financial situation, dealing Iginla to the Blues means unless you take Stewart back in the deal + either a) a worse prospect than Rattie or b) one 1st, it isn't happening. I think you guys can perhaps get better offers elsewhere so I expect nothing to go down.
yeah I read your post before, but you do realize that every other persons opinion doesn't have to be the same as your right? If the Blues struggle to score in the post season do you not think they will make an effort to improve it? Personally I think they do. Obviously you don't I get it.
yeah I read your post before, but you do realize that every other persons opinion doesn't have to be the same as your right? If the Blues struggle to score in the post season do you not think they will make an effort to improve it? Personally I think they do. Obviously you don't I get it.
My point is that it isn't "opinion" about who is under contract next year and who isn't. Jarome Iginla plays wing. It isn't "opinion" about how many forwards an NHL team is allowed to carry. It isn't "opinion" how many wings there are under contract. You can't possibly think it is.
I get that you want to get a really good deal for Iginla but it's pretty ludicrous to suggest the Blues are going to trade a bunch of picks and not the one winger they can part with for the $$ side of things (Stewart) if Iginla's involved.
If the Blues suddenly can't score in the postseason I imagine they'll try to find ways to address it but it's a mindboggling leap to suggest this means they will trade a "couple high picks" for Iginla when the roster and money situation (again, not opinions) are what they are.
Amazing, the Pens got Joey Mullin for a second round pick. That's pretty the same stage for Iggy. At this point the Flames re not going to hit the mother load for a guy who has 2 or 3 years left.
Amazing, the Pens got Joey Mullin for a second round pick. That's pretty the same stage for Iggy. At this point the Flames re not going to hit the mother load for a guy who has 2 or 3 years left.
you can't compare trades today to ones in the early 90s.
If Paul Gaustad who has less points than Iginla scores goals can land a 1st round pick. Iginla is going to return at least 3 times that value.
I respect your opinion. But Shero would not pay a kings ransom for a guy who's on is way down.
what Shero would pay has nothing to do with players costing more in trades now than they used to. If Shero wouldn't overpay, then someone else likely will. Perennial 30+ goal scorers are rarely traded anymore regardless of age.
