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What do the Leafs and their fans get out of the 'New NHL'?
You seem to really think that throwing money at a problem is the solution. The issue is that your management does not know how to build a successful team.
The Leafs didn't win anything from 1967-2004. How how is the system to blame?
This. I notice the leaf fans complaining about the cap have not addressed this issue. Since 67 Toronto has spent more years in a uncapped league than they have years under a salary cap. Yet in all those years the team still failed to win a cup or even get to a Stanley Cup Final, I wonder what excuse they have for that.
I'll agree that the reason the Leafs suck is because of poor management decisions and the amount of money they spend for the front office is their problem not the leagues.
I also think that teams that can't attract fans because of poor management decisions shouldn't be rewarded with revenue sharing.
This. I notice the leaf fans complaining about the cap have not addressed this issue. Since 67 Toronto has spent more years in a uncapped league than they have years under a salary cap. Yet in all those years the team still failed to win a cup or even get to a Stanley Cup Final, I wonder what excuse they have for that.
THat is clearly irrelevent, the cold war was on for most of the years, and the commies were conducting espionage and supporting the teams that did win.
I have to say this has been one of the most entertaining threads i've ever read. I'm not gonna argue, because that would validate that an argument needs to be made, when it clearly doesn't.
I'll agree that the reason the Leafs suck is because of poor management decisions and the amount of money they spend for the front office is their problem not the leagues.
I also think that teams that can't attract fans because of poor management decisions shouldn't be rewarded with revenue sharing.
Your looking at this from the view of fan, the NHL/players generally don't care about the fans of any specific team, they care about the fan in the sense they will do what it takes to get the most of their money.
The cap benefited the leafs (the owners of the organization, not the fans who dont matter) because it kept a lid on their player costs while achieving similar results. When fans will pay crazy prizes for a crappy team of course the owners love they don't have to spend 100mill+ on players. If the leafs could buy a cup (which even when they had the option they still sucked at it) and if many teams folded that would mean less, not more, money for the owners. Most owners don't want a luxury tax option (the ones that would are the ones that care about winning more than money which isn't many) because that means the fans of big markets can put pressure on their team to spend more money. In the Leafs case this means more money spent but as history has shown not a much better chance at winning the cup.
The current system benefits the players because more teams = more games played = more players in the league = more money for the players. The current CBA also reduced the UFA age. So in the new system the players got more freedom of choice and they also as a whole got more money. Sure people like Crosby could command more than the league max if they wanted, but for the 99% of the league that isn't a star player they now make more money. And more players are making money too.
So as a whole the current system has benefited the only two parties that really matter - the owners and the players. As long as the fans are willing to throw their money at the league they aren't really even considered.
If you don't like that the leafs suck/can't be given all the good players then show the league you anger by not watching the games/buyings tickets/buying merchandise. If the AAC starts having empty seats and they don't sell any merch then maybe things will change....... but until that happens it won't.
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Continue to build it? How about starting to build it?
And I can't really tell what you people are arguing anymore, it just keeps changing and every single argument is moronic.
With all due respect, I think the disconnect is on your end, not mine.
You entered this discussion with preconceived notions of what Leaf fans 'believe' and have refused to accept anything to the contrary.
With all due respect, I think the disconnect is on your end, not mine.
No, it really isn't. Every time one argument is shot down, the Leafs fans in this thread just switch to another equally inane one. The cap is unfair. Now the players are mistreated. Now the fans are mistreated. Now the cap is unfair again. But all I really care about are players' rights! Round and round it goes.
No, it really isn't. Every time one argument is shot down, the Leafs fans in this thread just switch to another equally inane one. The cap is unfair. Now the players are mistreated. Now the fans are mistreated. Now the cap is unfair again. But all I really care about are players' rights! Round and round it goes.
Fehr Time isn't a Leaf fan, and may not even be a hockey fan. He's a pro-NHLPA troll.
Well seeing that Montreal pays 18 million a year into revenue sharing (according to a statement by their president 4 years go) Montreal wouldn't be one of them. I highly doubt the Leafs would be receiving any, or the Canucks, Sens, Jets, Oilers, Flames, Bruins, Pens, Flyers, Rangers, Islanders, Sharks, Kings, Ducks.
Really I don't know, the NHL refuses to make public that information.
Although they were ****ing quick to let everyone know that for a few years 4 Canadian teams received up to 2.7 million from the cap.
Heck Ted Leonis owner of the Caps reminded us all he was sending welfare to Canadian teams. What a ****** bag.
Well seeing that Montreal pays 18 million a year into revenue sharing (according to a statement by their president 4 years go) Montreal wouldn't be one of them. I highly doubt the Leafs would be receiving any, or the Canucks, Sens, Jets, Oilers, Flames, Bruins, Pens, Flyers, Rangers, Islanders, Sharks, Kings, Ducks.
Really I don't know, the NHL refuses to make public that information.
Although they were ****ing quick to let everyone know that for a few years 4 Canadian teams received up to 2.7 million from the cap.
Heck Ted Leonis owner of the Caps reminded us all he was sending welfare to Canadian teams. What a ****** bag.
Most of the small market teams have actually been reasonably successful lately.
Allowing territorial rights to 2 players or reducing the age of free agency is pro-Leafs?
Given that a majority of first overall picks come from Ontario, yes. And reducing the age of free agency only helps teams that draft poorly (or trade away their picks), i.e. the Leafs.
Continue to build it? How about starting to build it?
And I can't really tell what you people are arguing anymore, it just keeps changing and every single argument is moronic.
What does that even mean and how is that relevant at all?
My argument is actually pretty simple in this case. It is one on behalf of consumers. Leaf fans pay alot for the privelidge to watch/support their team. I personally would never pay that much but to each his own. The issue I bring up is what is the benefit tht they as consumers get out of it under the current system? Before at least they got some bang for their buck when their team brought in players like Mogilny and Belfour. Their teambuilding appproach was flawed but at least they were allowed to try. Leaf fans really don't get much of anything as a reward for paying the freight for several clubs in the NHL now.
There is a ton of wailing on these boards about how small markets need to be supported so their fans can have a good product, but fans in places like Toronto seem to be neglected. I think if say the old CBA was brought back at least these fans might get some bang for their buck again.
Well seeing that Montreal pays 18 million a year into revenue sharing (according to a statement by their president 4 years go) Montreal wouldn't be one of them. I highly doubt the Leafs would be receiving any, or the Canucks, Sens, Jets, Oilers, Flames, Bruins, Pens, Flyers, Rangers, Islanders, Sharks, Kings, Ducks.
Really I don't know, the NHL refuses to make public that information.
Although they were ****ing quick to let everyone know that for a few years 4 Canadian teams received up to 2.7 million from the cap.
Heck Ted Leonis owner of the Caps reminded us all he was sending welfare to Canadian teams. What a ****** bag.
Ted was right to be angry. Why should he be sending welfare payments to markets that can't hack. And 2 of them still moved. The Caps earned that money on their own.
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Most of the small market teams have actually been reasonably successful lately.
And they are take money from big market teams. Some of them will have problems with the rising cap.
Given that a majority of first overall picks come from Ontario, yes. And reducing the age of free agency only helps teams that draft poorly (or trade away their picks), i.e. the Leafs.
Well then since Bettman gives 8 million a year to USA hockey hopefully in a few years the majority of 1st round picks will be from the states.
