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What do the Leafs and their fans get out of the 'New NHL'?
I dont think that was his point. He feels like the leafs should get compensation for helping small market teams. They are giving money to teams to help build a system where everyone has a equal chance to make the playoffs, while the leafs are the only to of not made the playoffs cone seasons end. What happenss to all these small teams if the leafs just say, **** it good luck were done welfaring
Phoenix goes out of business, the league needs to relocate it, the NHL notices that Toronto is making unilateral decisions and thus their opinion is no longer relevant --- > 29 owners vote to move the Coyotes to Mississauga.
Phoenix goes out of business, the league needs to relocate it, the NHL notices that Toronto is making unilateral decisions and thus their opinion is no longer relevant --- > 29 owners vote to move the Coyotes to Mississauga.
Well if were subsidizing it anyways at least have it in ontario
Now explain why its a good idea to get rid of the draft so the Leafs can sign Stamkos and Tavares. You know they had a chance to draft good Ontario boy Tyler Seguin but they traded that pick. It seems to me the Leafs biggest problem is their management but it would be typical to blame everyone else and call Bettman a communist.
The draft system is unfair and archaic. It needs to go. The fans of the Leafs pay alot to see their team play. They should have every opportunity to get the best talent by putting all that money to a good use. Maybe those players would sill play elsewhere, but at least the opportunity to sign them is there. Instead, they do not get to sign them, and they are forced to hand out money to lesser markets so that they can have those top young stars. On top of that, Leaf fans get mocked and made fun of all the time. Unreal
Yeah, take the Isles out of the Atlantic and put them in the Northwest and it's my opinion that they end up with more points than the Leafs. Could even be a playoff team in the NW. They're just stuck behind 4 good teams in the Atlantic. The Isles are a good team.
The Islanders could very well end up with more points than the Leafs this year- they're only one point behind with two to play
Well if were subsidizing it anyways at least have it in ontario
Subsidizing is better for the Leafs bottom line than directly competing with another team. Your position is that of a fan, not one likely to be shared by anybody in management.
While I don't agree with a lot of what OP is saying, I do feel that the Leafs/habs/NYR need to get some sort of benefit from providing revenue sharing. Why should these teams support lower markets, thus lowering there chance of winning with no benefit?
The draft system is unfair and archaic. It needs to go. The fans of the Leafs pay alot to see their team play. They should have every opportunity to get the best talent by putting all that money to a good use. Maybe those players would sill play elsewhere, but at least the opportunity to sign them is there. Instead, they do not get to sign them, and they are forced to hand out money to lesser markets so that they can have those top young stars. On top of that, Leaf fans get mocked and made fun of all the time. Unreal
Perhaps they are mocked because they continue to pay such high prices for a horrible team? You constantly complain about the price but if the demand is high enough they have no reason to lower it.
Now explain why its a good idea to get rid of the draft so the Leafs can sign Stamkos and Tavares. You know they had a chance to draft good Ontario boy Tyler Seguin but they traded that pick. It seems to me the Leafs biggest problem is their management but it would be typical to blame everyone else and call Bettman a communist.
But a 60 point players wouldn't help us more than an 80 point player :
Or they could just keep there money and let the nhl get rid of 2 teams so that we can stop watching ohl players end up rotting away on the island in ny. I mean phoenix porbably owes the leafs alot of money while rebuilding there team for a while with no results. The cap is one of the stupidest things ever, no more dynestys but instead watching niemi vs leightin(or bouchard) in the nhl finals and then chicago to have to tear down one of the best teams in the offseason. Doesnt really benefit anyone since the teams that it was suppost to help dont reach the cap limit now anyways (basically spending just as much as before, but not allowing other teams who have more to spend it on their teams and give it to small markets)
haha dude, islanders > leafs. Deal with it, I doubt Tavares would rather play for the leafs rather than the Isles, even if they offered twice the money. Not a single player wants to play in Toronto (except Tim Conolly, and only because he gets paid 2-3 times his worth).
The draft system is unfair and archaic. It needs to go. The fans of the Leafs pay alot to see their team play. They should have every opportunity to get the best talent by putting all that money to a good use. Maybe those players would sill play elsewhere, but at least the opportunity to sign them is there. Instead, they do not get to sign them, and they are forced to hand out money to lesser markets so that they can have those top young stars. On top of that, Leaf fans get mocked and made fun of all the time. Unreal
hehe, a basic understanding of economics might help you out a bunch here, MLSE keeps all the money from the gate, concessions beer parking etc, the revenue that is "shared" is the television contracts, and the only teams that receive a larger share of this money are ones that spend a much lower amount of money cap wise per year.( so they can have a team that goes to Toronto to play a game where MLSE makes the money off of etc....).
The cost of tickets in Toronto has nothing to do with any other team in the league.
Its called supply and demand, tons of leaf fans, only so many seats means that the group that "owns" the leafs can charge a much higher price for those same seats. (charging what the market will bear)
Few fans in Phoenix means empty seats, lower prices means more people "might" purchase a ticket because demand is much lower.
Those television contracts are paid to the NHL which then shares that money between teams.
Actually they were pretty good at managing the cap, i think atlanta lost their organization because they couldnt develop enough interest and the nhl didnt help them like they helped phoenix
Atlanta had poor management and couldn't draw fan interest because they iced a ****** product.
The difference I see between Atlanta and Phoenix is that Phoenix (well, Glendale) was willing to pay to keep the team around (even if it isn't enough to erase the losses). No such effort was made in Atlanta.
Give Atlanta the Predator's management and they are likely a perennial playoff contender, and I guarantee it would have generated more fan interest.
The point is, you can't just buy a contender in "today's NHL"...you have to develop it. The Thrashers had pieces...Heatley, Kovalchuk, Savard....but not a system that worked.
While I don't agree with a lot of what OP is saying, I do feel that the Leafs/habs/NYR need to get some sort of benefit from providing revenue sharing. Why should these teams support lower markets, thus lowering there chance of winning with no benefit?
They do have a benefit = a healthier league and more areas of North America with hockey fans and young kids playing hockey to later join the league.
Both the Rangers and Wings now are spending (on average) more than they were in the 8 years pre-lockout.
The Leaf's highest payroll in one season was $65 million in 03/04. This year they are spending about $64 mil.
Perhaps they are mocked because they continue to pay such high prices for a horrible team? You constantly complain about the price but if the demand is high enough they have no reason to lower it.
They might get mocked no matter what. But at least if their team is allowed to spend as much as they can to win they might actually get something out of being a part of the NHL.
They might get mocked no matter what. But at least if their team is allowed to spend as much as they can to win they might actually get something out of being a part of the NHL.
They get to watch all the real teams when they come to town!
hehe, a basic understanding of economics might help you out a bunch here, MLSE keeps all the money from the gate, concessions beer parking etc, the revenue that is "shared" is the television contracts, and the only teams that receive a larger share of this money are ones that spend a much lower amount of money cap wise per year.( so they can have a team that goes to Toronto to play a game where MLSE makes the money off of etc....).
The cost of tickets in Toronto has nothing to do with any other team in the league.
Its called supply and demand, tons of leaf fans, only so many seats means that the group that "owns" the leafs can charge a much higher price for those same seats. (charging what the market will bear)
Few fans in Phoenix means empty seats, lower prices means more people "might" purchase a ticket because demand is much lower.
Those television contracts are paid to the NHL which then shares that money between teams.
The cost of tickets in Toronto has nothing to do with any other team in the league, but the fact that fans in places like Toronto get nothing out of paying more for tickets is the problem. Why should Leaf fans subsidize irrelevant teams so they can have star players instead of having those star players in Toronto?
Exactly. If there was a luxury tax things would be different, but the current system puniushes the Leafs for being successful period and has funnelled money and players to places like Phoenix and Atlanta. I would rather watch top players play for the Leafs on Saturday night then have to watch lowly highlights of them playing in more obscure places.
The Leafs and other teams should end the current welfaring. They get nothing out of it anyways. And to make matters worse, fans of teams who receive tht money always mock the Leafs anyways.
What have the Leafs gotten out of it?
A four-fold increase in operating income from the $10-$20m/year range pre-2005 CBA to $80m/year now [Forbes estimates].
All time record franchise valuation.
The Leafs fans might not be completely happy with the new CBA curbing the club's past pattern of throwing money to the wind. But the Leafs ownership and their bean counters in the back office are ecstatic. The new CBA has turned the Leafs into a money printing machine.
