Trade Rumors and Free Agent TalkTrade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.
Voracek seems like one of those guys who is SOOO close to finally breaking out. He is 22 so there is plenty of time.
Yea, his stats might be the same as last season, but he looks like a completely different player. He is learning from Jagr using his body to shield the puck and honestly his playmaking kills are right behind Giroux on the team.
I think that the Flyers might move him for someone like Luke Schenn. He was a high draft pick & the center piece of what the Flyers were MOST interested in with the Carter deal. Voracek won't get traded for a POSSIBLE 2nd pairing dman nor a pick outside of the top 12 in this years draft. He also won't get traded for a package of lesser parts seeing how depth is NOT a problem in Philly. Last, barring a "roll-back" in salaries with the new CBA the cap will most likely EXCEED 70 mil for next season. Remember, starting with this season each team got about 6 mil MORE in TV revenue about half of which will be applied to player salaries for next season. The cap rises between 3-4 mil each year from team revenue growth and there is no indication that this will change for this season. In total, it's not incpncievable to see a 2012/13 cap limit of 72 mil giving the Flyers plenty of cap space.
He is learning from Jagr using his body to shield the puck and honestly his playmaking kills are right behind Giroux on the team.
He was good at that in Columbus too, although working with Jagr has probably refined his skill to protect the puck with his body.
Voracek has been likened to Jagr in the past (prior to the WC a year or two ago). They are both from the same hometown (Kladno) and were said to play similar styles. That may have changed recently, I don't know, but Voracek has all the tools to do great.
Very likeable kid, very enjoyable playing style, and he's always a fan favorite.
He was good at that in Columbus too, although working with Jagr has probably refined his skill to protect the puck with his body.
Voracek has been likened to Jagr in the past (prior to the WC a year or two ago). They are both from the same hometown (Kladno) and were said to play similar styles. That may have changed recently, I don't know, but Voracek has all the tools to do great.
Very likeable kid, very enjoyable playing style, and he's always a fan favorite.
Same body type, too. It's very obvious seeing him and Jagr together that they play similarly.
His speed (when he wants to scoot) makes him extremely hard to stop. I like him a lot.
He was good at that in Columbus too, although working with Jagr has probably refined his skill to protect the puck with his body.
Voracek has been likened to Jagr in the past (prior to the WC a year or two ago). They are both from the same hometown (Kladno) and were said to play similar styles. That may have changed recently, I don't know, but Voracek has all the tools to do great.
Very likeable kid, very enjoyable playing style, and he's always a fan favorite.
What I like about him is his attitude. There were some that were skeptical about him, thinking that he might turn into a Zherdev. He even choose the same number Zherdev did. Complete opposite though. He is boys with Rinaldo, Giroux, Read etc etc, everyone likes him in the lockerroom, and watch when a teammate scores a goal, you would think that it was a surprise birthday party for Voracek. I think he is really liking the team.
I think the Jagr comparision is pretty good, but the difference from the beginning of the season to right now is pretty noticable. He played similar to Zherdev as he would try to dangle through 2-3 people and get a shot off. Instead of dangling now, he does the Jagr "stick his ass out", and looks for a pass.
What was a treat to watch the past few games (before Briere got hurt) was his speed along with Wellwood (our fastest player) and Read (our 2nd fastest). I would have Voracek as our 3rd fastest. That line was SUPER fast.
I think that the Flyers might move him for someone like Luke Schenn. He was a high draft pick & the center piece of what the Flyers were MOST interested in with the Carter deal. Voracek won't get traded for a POSSIBLE 2nd pairing dman nor a pick outside of the top 12 in this years draft. He also won't get traded for a package of lesser parts seeing how depth is NOT a problem in Philly. Last, barring a "roll-back" in salaries with the new CBA the cap will most likely EXCEED 70 mil for next season. Remember, starting with this season each team got about 6 mil MORE in TV revenue about half of which will be applied to player salaries for next season. The cap rises between 3-4 mil each year from team revenue growth and there is no indication that this will change for this season. In total, it's not incpncievable to see a 2012/13 cap limit of 72 mil giving the Flyers plenty of cap space.
I don't think the cap will go up too much this offseason. Preliminary talks have speculated that the owners will win the next CBA again, and have the Hockey Related Income reduced to around 50%; similar to the other major leagues. I would be surprised if the cap floor and ceiling moved more than $2mil either way.
On a different note, if the Canucks are able to return a top 10 pick for Schneider (say Tampa's) would you be interested in moving Voracek for it? I'm a big fan of his play, and it appears that we could make good trading partners. The Flyers have a surplus of top 6 forwards and could really use a blue chip D prospect. I would love to see Voracek play with Kesler and Booth. Sound reasonable?
I really like Voracek I think he is and will be an extremely valuable asset to any team he is on and will always be a player people can see the value in and who oozes potential. That being said if he can return a top 10 pick that can get us a top pairing defensemen or a potential top pairing defensemen that would be hard to say no to.
I don't want him moved though i'd try to find another way to get one of those.
I admit I haven't really seen Voracek in Philly, but his POTENTIAL really impressed me in Columbus. Good size, great speed, good hands... it seemed like he had all the tools but had trouble putting it all together.
I recall there being trade rumours of Luke Schenn for Van Riemsdyk a while back... how do Voracek and Van Riemsdyk compare in terms of value?
How about something around Schenn for something around Voracek (don't know the values that well)?
I wouldn't touch that deal, and I would trade Van Riemsdyk well before I'd trade Voracek.
Unless you're watching Voracek give 110% on a nightly basis, you can't understand how much he brings or how much potential he has. I would resign him for anything under 5.5M, and fortunately I highly doubt he gets more than 4. If we sign him long term I will be a happy man- if we get rid of him I might cry.
I wouldn't touch that deal, and I would trade Van Riemsdyk well before I'd trade Voracek.
Unless you're watching Voracek give 110% on a nightly basis, you can't understand how much he brings or how much potential he has. I would resign him for anything under 5.5M, and fortunately I highly doubt he gets more than 4. If we sign him long term I will be a happy man- if we get rid of him I might cry.
Which is why i'm glad your not a GM. We are not moving JVR for anything.
Personally I would move JVR before Voracek. JVR for a young defenseman. Probably put his value somewhere between Eric Johnson and Luke Schenn.
Man, if we could get someone like Eric Johnson for JVR+ I would be all over that, and I love JVR. Or if we could sign Suter this summer. Blargh, that would be awesome.
Man, if we could get someone like Eric Johnson for JVR+ I would be all over that, and I love JVR. Or if we could sign Suter this summer. Blargh, that would be awesome.
We should be a little wary of Johnson. I've watched some Colorado this season and he has not been all that. He's Big, can skate, shoot and run the PP but still has some flaws to his simple game just like from St Louis. Things like decision making under pressure and positioning are just not very good. He never reached his draft day potential, which is why I think a trade for JVR makes some sense. He is still a number one defenseman on his team though, so I think we would probably need to add to entice Colorado to give him up.
We should be a little wary of Johnson. I've watched some Colorado this season and he has not been all that. He's Big, can skate, shoot and run the PP but still has some flaws to his simple game just like from St Louis. Things like decision making under pressure and positioning are just not very good. He never reached his draft day potential, which is why I think a trade for JVR makes some sense. He is still a number one defenseman on his team though, so I think we would probably need to add to entice Colorado to give him up.
He's still pretty young though. Coburn was a headcase before he got to Philly. If you pair EJ with someone who can carry the pairing, like Timonen did for Coburn, I think you'll see EJ relax and start doing the simple things better. The raw talent is definitely there; he just needs to put it all together.
Where's the shoot myself in the head emoticon? Gotta give it to Leafs fans, they never fail to amaze. Also, would it kill you to spell their names correctly? Know this: Sean Couturier will not be traded under ANY circumstances, ever. The organization is going to do everything in its power to make sure he's a Flyer for the entirety of his career.
Voracek has easily been one of my favorite players this season. Just love what he brings, and if he ever improves his shot... look out.
Once more, I feel I have to reiterate: On what ****ing planet is the quoted post a fair deal? Jesus Christ.
Voracek still makes some questionable decisions and has nothing even close to an NHL-caliber shot in any way. All his goals come from in close or on breakaways, which makes Laviolette's decision to play him at the point on the PP really questionable. He has the size, speed, and skill you want, but he never puts it all together towards production for long periods of time. I don't see how you guys are putting him down for 70 or 90 points if given more ice time. He's a great 2nd liner with potential for more, but not 40 extra points a year more.
But thanks for the insult.
