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04-04-2012, 04:17 PM
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We have gained nothing under the salary cap.

Frankly, the New NHL is ridiculous. The salary cap has us subsidizing smaller market teams, our higher prices partially going to "grow the game." I wish there was no group pool to give money to weaker teams or salary cap. Without the cap, Burke would be having a much easier time because there would be more money to play with.

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How exactly is no cap fair to low market teams?

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Im a leafs fan but this kind of thinking is disgraceful, lets win LEGIT, not by CHEATING

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You know, I think Burke is unfairly challenged by the fact that hockey is reliant on superior goaltending for success. I think the rules should be changed so that Burke's allowed to put up a brick wall in the net. Without having Johnny Fivehole and Danny Badglovehand, Burke could win a championship easy.

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Wah wah we cant buy a team anymore

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We have only our GMs to blame.

When UFA was a wide open game, we were choking on rotten salaries and when we cleared that up the UFA market dried up. All the while our drafting stayed mediocre.

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You know, I think Burke is unfairly challenged by the fact that hockey is reliant on superior goaltending is essential to success. I think the rules should be changed so that Burke's allowed to put up a brick wall in the net. Without having Johnny Fivehole and Danny Badglovehand, Burke could win a championship easy.

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Frankly, the New NHL is ridiculous. The salary cap has us subsidizing smaller market teams, our higher prices partially going to "grow the game." I wish there was no group pool to give money to weaker teams or salary cap. Without the cap, Burke would be having a much easier time because there would be more money to play with.

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Tell that to the Hurricanes, Ducks, Oilers and Senators, all smaller market teams who have made it to the SCF.


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How exactly is no cap fair to low market teams?
Well I guess those teams should go. No more broken unstable franchise nonsense.

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We have only our GMs to blame.

When UFA was a wide open game, we were choking on rotten salaries and when we cleared that up the UFA market dried up. All the while our drafting stayed mediocre.
True, but its not like there were never any decent ones on the market.

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How exactly is no cap fair to low market teams?
We have too many low market teams diluting the quality of the product being put on the ice. If a team cannot stand on its own without the support of the entire league then perhaps it is the wrong market for an NHL franchise.

Remove the cap, shrink the league by about 8 teams or relocate the teams to viable markets and let capitalism reign.

Being able to afford to best elite talent in the league is not cheating, if it was then New York and Boston would alternate winning the world series ever other year.

Bad teams will still draft near the top and acquire elite talent the cheap way.

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We need teams to play.... that's why we give them money to stick around.

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Tell that to the Hurricanes, Ducks, Oilers and Senators, all smaller market teams who have made it to the SCF.

Do you want to see this team win or not. The Leafs will never compete via a rebuild. The market including some of this board will never allow. No salary cap means no purgatory.

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We have too many low market teams diluting the quality of the product being put on the ice. If a team cannot stand on its own without the support of the entire league then perhaps it is the wrong market for an NHL franchise.

Remove the cap, shrink the league by about 8 teams or relocate the teams to viable markets and let capitalism reign.

Being able to afford to best elite talent in the league is not cheating, if it was then New York and Boston would alternate winning the world series ever other year.

Bad teams will still draft near the top and acquire elite talent the cheap way.
End of story.

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I prefer the idea of the salary cap. I dont know how I feel about big market teams paying for small market teams to stay in the league when they cant pay for themselves. Seems kind of pointless to me. Would anyone really, really notice if a Columbus, or a Phoenix disappeared? No.

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Pretty hard to gain anything, under the Salary Cap......when the Leafs have possibly been the worst-managed team, cap-wise....since the lockout.

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Do you want to see this team win or not. The Leafs will never compete via a rebuild. The market including some of this board will never allow. No salary cap means no purgatory.
I guess I should also mention the Pens, Flyers, Wings, Hawks and Bruins all bigger market teams that have either rebuilt themselves or found a way to be consistently successful and find their way into an SCF too.

I'd much rather have a 30 team league where the Leafs have a chance to compete and become elite, than a 10 league team where the leafs can dominate every year.

And to you and any other poster who thinks that "the market will never allow" for a rebuild... please give your heads a MASSIVE shake. This team has finished out of the playoffs every year since the lockout. In that time a full rebuild could have occurred with consecutive bottom 5 finishes, and we still would have seen the same amount of playoff games as we have so far. And fans would still be lining up to purchase tickets at a premium, tv networks would still be giving the team the most coverage etc. No doubt about it.

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The Leafs' owners have gained a lot. In 2003, the team's salary was $65 million. Nine years later their revenues have about doubled and their payroll is . . . $63 million.

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End of story.
The main difference between the NHL and the MLB is that in big markets like Chicago, when they're not winning in baseball... fans are still filling Wrigley Field and going crazy over the cubbies. When the Blackhawks are terrible, which they were for a number of years pre lockout and post lockout, no one shows up.

Hockey doesn't have the mass appeal that baseball does in the US and thats a fact. Hockey teams need to be successful even in mid-size markets to generate revenue, where as mid-size markets in baseball that have ****** teams still end up drawing fans and making a buck.

This is what makes the salary cap a necessity in the NHL.

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I don't think the salary cap was implemented to help out the Toronto Maple Leafs

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So rather than blaming our management for not adapting to the new CBA, we should blame the NHL?

Has it actually come to this?

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The OP may be joking? lol

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How exactly is no cap fair to low market teams?
thats the point melrose is tryin to make, if their fan base cant support the team why do they deserve a team??
Did the yankees support the expos... no thats why they are no more.
so if Phoenix only has one fan in the seats all season, ur ok with paying for their salary, keeping them afloat AND they get into the playoffs...

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You know, I think Burke is unfairly challenged by the fact that hockey is reliant on superior goaltending for success. I think the rules should be changed so that Burke's allowed to put up a brick wall in the net. Without having Johnny Fivehole and Danny Badglovehand, Burke could win a championship easy.

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I like the way you think.

@OP: As much as I want the leafs to succeed, I want the NHL to be a league where are teams are equal. It's one of my favourite things about the NHL..

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So rather than blaming our management for not adapting to the new CBA, we should blame the NHL?

Has it actually come to this?
not so much "come to this" but imo more of a new nhl sucks kinda rant...

I do miss the old nhl....

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