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05-07-2012, 12:48 PM
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Off-Season Game Plan: Toronto Maple Leafs

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=395291

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When it comes to goaltending, the Leafs may very well be interested in Roberto Luongo, who is expected to get moved out of Vancouver. They should be. But if it's not Luongo, there has to be some upgrade, because all the progress in the world with the rest of the roster isn't going to matter if the Leafs have goalies stopping 90% of the shots they face (rather than, say, the 92% that Luongo stops).

In the search for bigger bodies up front and a number one centre, expect the Leafs to kick over a lot of boulders and maybe something can squeeze out, but teams aren't often inclined to deal number one centres.

The Leafs have been linked in the past with big scoring wingers like Rick Nash and James van Riemsdyk and they probably have interest, like every other team, in Zach Parise, but those are wingers (unless Parise moves to the middle). To get a legitimate centre, the Leafs will have to be creative and probably have to take some risk, either in the calibre of player they target or in the quality of players they send in exchange.

Given Burke and Carlyle's Anaheim connections, Ryan Getzlaf would seem a natural choice, but he will be an unrestricted free agent in 2013, which complicates any deals. Perhaps Colorado's Matt Duchene, coming off an injury-marred season, could be pried away. He wouldn't come cheaply, but if the Avalanche already have Ryan O'Reilly and Paul Stastny down the middle (or could the more expensive Stastny be available?), maybe there is a fit that could involve the Leafs sending some wingers and defencemen to the Avalanche.

It's spit-balling, but without an aggressive move on the trade front, the Maple Leafs could go into next season with Mikhail Grabovski, Tim Connolly and Tyler Bozak down the middle there's not much evidence to suggest that's the path to long-term success.

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Hard to argue with any of this.

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Hard to argue with any of this.
although it takes a bit of imagination to come up with his capgeek roster ...i don't see how Colorado gives up on Duchene

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Dustin Penner($3.300m)/Matt Duchene($4.000m)/Phil Kessel($5.400m)
Clarke MacArthur($3.250m)/ Mikhail Grabovski($5.500m)/ Matt Frattin($0.850m)
Travis Moen($1.500m)/Tyler Bozak($1.500m)/Colby Armstrong($3.000m)
Mike Brown($0.737m)/David Steckel($1.100m)/Jordin Tootoo($1.500m)
Jerry D'Amigo($1.083m)/Colton Orr($1.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Carl Gunnarsson($1.325m)/Dion Phaneuf($6.500m)
John-Michael Liles($3.875m)/Jake Gardiner($1.117m)
Ryan Murray($2.875m)/Cody Franson($0.840m)
Mike Komisarek($4.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo($5.333m)
James Reimer($1.800m)
BUYOUTS
Darcy*Tucker ($1.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,884,167
BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,415,833

thats his capgeek roster for next year

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05-07-2012, 01:11 PM
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Interesting he has us getting Duchene, if this was true. I would cry tears of joy. As much as I love stastny and would absolutely love him, my true hero of hockey is Sakic and there are lot of similarities in the two.

Regardless i can't wait for the off-season, will be awesome to see some changes made in the leadership department.

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I would love Tootoo on this team.

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I don't see how Getzlaf being a free agent in 2013 would complicate the deal. We'd have the room to make it work cap wise. What would complicate the deal would be Anaheim not being stupid enough to trade Ryan Getzlaf.

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Dustin Penner($3.300m)/Matt Duchene($4.000m)/Phil Kessel($5.400m)
Clarke MacArthur($3.250m)/ Mikhail Grabovski($5.500m)/ Matt Frattin($0.850m)
Travis Moen($1.500m)/Tyler Bozak($1.500m)/Colby Armstrong($3.000m)
Mike Brown($0.737m)/David Steckel($1.100m)/Jordin Tootoo($1.500m)
Jerry D'Amigo($1.083m)/Colton Orr($1.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Carl Gunnarsson($1.325m)/Dion Phaneuf($6.500m)
John-Michael Liles($3.875m)/Jake Gardiner($1.117m)
Ryan Murray($2.875m)/Cody Franson($0.840m)
Mike Komisarek($4.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo($5.333m)
James Reimer($1.800m)
BUYOUTS
Darcy*Tucker ($1.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,884,167
BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,415,833

thats his capgeek roster for next year
Luongo & Duchene come in via trade.

Lupul, Schenn, Kulemin, Lombardi, Connolly, possibly Kadri gone.

1. Lupul, Schenn, Connolly, + for Duchene (they have space, all 3 would fill a role)
2. Kulemin, Kadri for Luongo (both could fit well out there, seems steep though)
3. Lombardi dumped

Am I missing anyone?

This would be my best guess.

p.s. I wish I had Cullen's job

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Luongo & Duchene come in via trade.

Lupul, Schenn, Kulemin, Lombardi, Connolly, possibly Kadri gone.

1. Lupul, Schenn, Connolly, + for Duchene (they have space, all 3 would fill a role)
2. Kulemin, Kadri for Luongo (both could fit well out there, seems steep though)
3. Lombardi dumped

Am I missing anyone?

This would be my best guess.

p.s, I wish I had Cullen's job
personally think we're be worse with those moves.

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Pickup Clowe and Jo Thornton from the sinking ship that is the Sharks after they blow the team up. 10.5 mil+ plus cap hit but hot damn!

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I'd have no trouble trading 5th overall+ for Duchene.


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personally think we're be worse with those moves.
IMO with that lineup, our whole season would rest on Penner's back.

That's a very risky gamble to make.


That team looks alot more like a Burke/Carlyle team. It would be nice if we had a clear answer if Kadri it still in the system, that would be a big determining factor if we are further ahead or not.

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I'd have to trouble trading 5th overall+ for Duchene.
Is that a general statement, or a comment on Cullen's roster? In his roster the 5th is kept.

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I'd have to trouble trading 5th overall+ for Duchene.
I think its a good one in my books. We get a first line center immediately off the bat. No need to wait for two years. Immediately he works with kessel and lupul.

I would ofc prefer to get him another way but I would like it tbh.

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Colorado never moves Duchene. Come on, Statsny would be the one to go if anything.

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I find these TSN off-season game plans aren't any better than what a reasonably informed HF poster could come up with. They're pretty good for catching up on teams you don't follow as much, but there's really nothing new here.

It's all pure speculation by the writer, speculation about things that people on these boards have spent months, and even years, speculating about...

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Colorado never moves Duchene. Come on, Statsny would be the one to go if anything.
I can dream! lol

I am realistically expecting us to push for Stastny if anything TBH. I have said it before but I'll say it again. I really think we are going to make a push for him.

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I think its a good one in my books. We get a first line center immediately off the bat. No need to wait for two years. Immediately he works with kessel and lupul.

I would ofc prefer to get him another way but I would like it tbh.
Once again, the Leafs would be forfeiting the ELC of a top five pick, no small thing, and as great as Duchene has been in the past, it is still a premium we'd be paying and a bit of a lateral move, since Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Forsberg would be great forwards to build with too.

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Luongo & Duchene come in via trade.

Lupul, Schenn, Kulemin, Lombardi, Connolly, possibly Kadri gone.

1. Lupul, Schenn, Connolly, + for Duchene (they have space, all 3 would fill a role)
2. Kulemin, Kadri for Luongo (both could fit well out there, seems steep though)
3. Lombardi dumped

Am I missing anyone?

This would be my best guess.

p.s. I wish I had Cullen's job
would love his job aswell haha

but on the trades I think it would look similar tho I think Cullen knows we would need to move up to get Murray so I think it would look like

Lupul, Schenn, Connolly, + for Duchene
Kulemin + pick/prospect(or Lombardi dump to even salaries) for Luongo
5th + Kadri(or another prospect) for #2 overall to get Murray

keep in mind also this roster is done with 64.3 salary cap if the rumoured number is 69 million as a salary cap we could replace Penner with another player up to 9 million and then we would have to hope the new CBA doesn't screw us over haha.

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Penner and Duchene in, Lupul, Kadri, Schenn, Kulemin, etc. out?

we'd be worse imo.

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I find these TSN off-season game plans aren't any better than what a reasonably informed HF poster could come up with. They're pretty good for catching up on teams you don't follow as much, but there's really nothing new here.

It's all pure speculation by the writer, speculation about things that people on these boards have spent months, and even years, speculating about...
1. Lupul, Schenn, Connolly, + for Duchene (they have space, all 3 would fill a role)
2. Kulemin, Kadri for Luongo (both could fit well out there, seems steep though)

I disagree, if these are in fact the trades he's proposing, we don't see many trades on these boards that have us paying equal value. It takes about 2 seconds to realize 95% of the trades proposed on these boards are lopsided in our favour(mainly revolving around players people want to get rid of).

At least these are a bit thought provoking whether we would do them or not.

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He has Gardiner being traded as well. Too many young pieces going out just to acquire Duchene and 300 years of Luongo.

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Once again, the Leafs would be forfeiting the ELC of a top five pick, no small thing, and as great as Duchene has been in the past, it is still a premium we'd be paying and a bit of a lateral move, since Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Forsberg would be great forwards to build with too.
I understand it would be a great thing to get those players as parts of our future but there are more risks with prospects than there are with players that have established them or to some what. Even if Duchene has had an injury filled season last year, the year before he produced on level with par of John Tavares. Now we both know we can't get him, and people know I'm a big tavares homer, so as much as we wish it ain't happening.

Do I think it's possible of happening? Not really. Do I think it would be good? I can live with it.

It will be interesting to see what happens because sherman has a TON of cap space and a lot of players to sign, as he only has 8 players returning for next season.

In the end of the day we are hoping that the forsberg, galchenyuk or grigorenko turn out to be a player like Duchene, Tavares/Malkin, & Stamkos right? Hence I am more open minded towards a trade as such.

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He has Gardiner being traded as well. Too many young pieces going out just to acquire Duchene and 300 years of Luongo.
no gardiner is in the lineup on the 2nd pairing with Liles

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Penner and Duchene in, Lupul, Kadri, Schenn, Kulemin, etc. out?

we'd be worse imo.
I'm not saying I would definitely do these moves but having a core of Kessel, Duchene, Phaneuf, Luongo, Murray going forward would be pretty tempting.

We would have all our top spots covered, the task would be to build around these guys.

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