Offensively they are pretty much on the same level, but Bergeron is better defensively.
Actually Eriksson back to back to back 70+ point seasons calls ******** on that comparison. In regard to defensively you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Watch a full season of Eriksson and then reevaluate your claim. Because he plays for Dallas and is so damn underrated he is looked over all the time.
Actually Eriksson back to back to back 70+ point seasons calls ******** on that comparison. In regard to defensively you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Watch a full season of Eriksson and then reevaluate your claim. Because he plays for Dallas and is so damn underrated he is looked over all the time.
Well Bergeron has had back to back 70 point seasons. Hurrah Eriksson had one more in a row, who cares. I never said Eriksson wasn't good defesively, so I'm not too sure where that's coming from. I simply said he wasn't as good as Bergeron in that aspect. I'd be more worried about him showing up for big games if I were you. Two crucial losses to the Sharks, 0 points and -2. Just saying.
Well Bergeron has had back to back 70 point seasons. Hurrah Eriksson had one more in a row, who cares. I never said Eriksson wasn't good defesively, so I'm not too sure where that's coming from. I simply said he wasn't as good as Bergeron in that aspect. I'd be more worried about him showing up for big games if I were you. Two crucial losses to the Sharks, 0 points and -2. Just saying.
Well Bergeron has had back to back 70 point seasons. Hurrah Eriksson had one more in a row, who cares. I never said Eriksson wasn't good defesively, so I'm not too sure where that's coming from. I simply said he wasn't as good as Bergeron in that aspect. I'd be more worried about him showing up for big games if I were you. Two crucial losses to the Sharks, 0 points and -2. Just saying.
Do you notice how Bergeron has not been the same since his concussion offensively? Or is that something that is not obvious to you?
Actually Eriksson back to back to back 70+ point seasons calls ******** on that comparison. In regard to defensively you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Watch a full season of Eriksson and then reevaluate your claim. Because he plays for Dallas and is so damn underrated he is looked over all the time.
If it wasnt for his concusion Bergeron would be a top 15 to 10 player. Talk about back to back 70 point seasons Bergeron put back to back 70 point seasons before the hit. Had 7 points in 10 games that season as well on his way to put up numbers. Who knows how many points he would have picked up. Worth noting his numbers have grown every year after the hit.
If anyone has the right to complain about about cheap hits its Begeron proble ruined how good he can be.
Do you notice how Bergeron has not been the same since his concussion offensively? Or is that something that is not obvious to you?
Really no, I never noticed, I'm only his biggest fan. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
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If it wasnt for his concusion Bergeron would be a top 15 to 10 player. Talk about back to back 70 point seasons Bergeron put back to back 70 point seasons before the hit. Had 7 points in 10 games that season as well on his way to put up numbers. Who knows how many points he would have picked up. Worth noting his numbers have grown every year after the hit.
If anyone has the right to complain about about cheap hits its Begeron proble ruined how good he can be.
Bang on. We would be talking about his 7th straight 70 point year instead. He's got over 60 this year, there ain't nothing wrong with that. All other parts of his game more than make up for a few points.
Well Bergeron has had back to back 70 point seasons. Hurrah Eriksson had one more in a row, who cares. I never said Eriksson wasn't good defesively, so I'm not too sure where that's coming from. I simply said he wasn't as good as Bergeron in that aspect. I'd be more worried about him showing up for big games if I were you. Two crucial losses to the Sharks, 0 points and -2. Just saying.
That has more to do with his center being abysmal in those two games.
Had Bergeron not suffered the concussion it'd be Bergeron pretty easily.
But I'd have to give it to Eriksson right now. Bergeron's a bit better defensively, but Eriksson's lead in offense surpasses that.
Very, very close though. I'd love to have both.
I respectfully disagree. I think this notion that Eriksson has such superior offensive abilities compared to Bergeron are false. It's very close on the offensive side, but less close on the defensive side, which definitely favors Bergeron. (not just a bit)
For argument sake about Eriksson supposedly being far ahead offensively, I have this.
P/G Regular season:
Bergeron .74
Eriksson .72
P/G playoffs:
Bergeron .74
Eriksson .40
Now imagine if Bergeron was never hurt. Yet he still leads here. Just saying
I respectfully disagree. I think this notion that Eriksson has such superior offensive abilities compared to Bergeron are false. It's very close on the offensive side, but less close on the defensive side, which definitely favors Bergeron. (not just a bit)
Well I think that the notion that Bergeron is better defensively is false too, so I guess we're even.
I respectfully disagree. I think this notion that Eriksson has such superior offensive abilities compared to Bergeron are false. It's very close on the offensive side, but less close on the defensive side, which definitely favors Bergeron. (not just a bit)
For argument sake about Eriksson supposedly being far ahead offensively, I have this.
P/G Regular season:
Bergeron .74
Eriksson .72
P/G playoffs:
Bergeron .74
Eriksson .40
Now imagine if Bergeron was never hurt. Yet he still leads here. Just saying
But your using career numbers. More recent seasons are going to be a lot more relevant then what the players have been putting up 5+ seasons ago.
But your using career numbers. More recent seasons are going to be a lot more relevant then what the players have been putting up 5+ seasons ago.
This seasons ppg:
Bergeron .76
Eriksson .88
Last 2 seasons:
Bergeron .74
Eriksson .90
Last 3 seasons:
Bergeron .73
Eriksson .89
Last 4 seasons
Bergeron .70
Eriksson .86
Well wouldn't career numbers be the best and most fair way of doing it? Or do you just want to use seasons where Bergeron was still trying to recover from his devastating injury.
How about first 3 seasons where Bergeron trumps him even worse?
Year one: Bergeron .54 year two: .90 year three: .90
Eriksson .32 year two: .44 year three: .76
That's why a whole career is the most fair, instead of just selecting the best seasons. What about his playoff numbers, what up with that?
This. That's like saying Thornton is a top 3 center in the game right now because of what he did 4-5 seasons ago.
Are you serious, that's your comeback? Using somebody else. Bergeron is finally regaining his old form that much is obvious.
FACT still remains that Bergeron still is at a higher P/G than Eriksson. Then one looks at the playoffs, and it's not really fair to Eriksson, because Bergeron trumps him there, oh and yes, he recently trumps his numbers there. Just saying
Well wouldn't career numbers be the best and most fair way of doing it? Or do you just want to use seasons where Bergeron was still trying to recover from his devastating injury.
How about first 3 seasons where Bergeron trumps him even worse?
Year one: Bergeron .54 year two: .90 year three: .90
Eriksson .32 year two: .44 year three: .76
That's why a whole career is the most fair, instead of just selecting the best seasons. What about his playoff numbers, what up with that?
For the record, I think Bergeron is the better player and would rather have him on my team. But the way you did your analysis is definitely not fair.
No, I'm not trying to use seasons where Bergeron was recovering. I'm trying to use seasons that are going to be the most relevant to in terms of how well a player's offensive abilities are today. This happens to be the more recent seasons. Don't want to use the season after he got back from the concussion? Fine, take it out. Don't want to use the season after that as well? Fine, take that out as well. In both cases, it's still Eriksson. There's not much point in including what Bergeron did 5 and 6 seasons ago when he hasn't touched those numbers since and might not again given that the concussion has changed things a bit.
I'm not selecting the best seasons as you put it. I gave you 4 options to choose from. After that, the stats just become too non-relevant. Imo, the most accurate is using the past 2 seasons. If you want a larger sample size, then 3.
As for the playoffs, yeah, Bergeron has been better thus far. But he's also had MUCH more playoff experience then Eriksson has. Not to mention the last time Erikkson was in the playoffs was 4 years ago before he broke out offensively.
I respectfully disagree. I think this notion that Eriksson has such superior offensive abilities compared to Bergeron are false. It's very close on the offensive side, but less close on the defensive side, which definitely favors Bergeron. (not just a bit)
For argument sake about Eriksson supposedly being far ahead offensively, I have this.
P/G Regular season:
Bergeron .74
Eriksson .72
P/G playoffs:
Bergeron .74
Eriksson .40
Now imagine if Bergeron was never hurt. Yet he still leads here. Just saying
Ok dude, you had me listening until you tossed Eriksson's playoff statistics into the mix. Talk about disingenuous.
I have a serious question though, who does Bergeron play with? While Eriksson has been playing with good linemates the last few years he has simply produced offense like clockwork. The guys he plays with invariably put up higher numbers when he's on their line than when he isn't. Brad Richards owes Eriksson one hell of a steak dinner after helping him to that massive contract this past summer.
Ok dude, you had me listening until you tossed Eriksson's playoff statistics into the mix. Talk about disingenuous.
I have a serious question though, who does Bergeron play with? While Eriksson has been playing with good linemates the last few years he has simply produced offense like clockwork. The guys he plays with invariably put up higher numbers when he's on their line than when he isn't. Brad Richards owes Eriksson one hell of a steak dinner after helping him to that massive contract this past summer.
