Toronto Sun + Phaneuf = 2 wrongs don't make a right.
The Sun isn't worth reading.
Burke put Phaneuf into a terrible situation.
Expecting Phaneuf to play #1 d minutes, and 1st unit PP & PK with his skill set and hockey IQ, particularly after what we saw from him while he was in Calgary was a hint-and-a-half of things to come. His slide was noticeable in 08-09; but when the Flames added Bouwmeester in 09-10, it accelerated DP's slide. DP's ego & personality didn't adjust to reduced ice time, or his role within the team. This was a huge miscalculation by Burke and/or his pro scouting dept.
Burke should have been astute enough to recognize that you can't have a guy with DP's personality be the lead dog of the d, let alone the team, especially in Toronto.
Phaneuf is more suited to a #3 D, 2nd pair minutes, with 1st unit PP, and limited 2nd unit PK. And under no circumstances should he be deployed to play the right side.
Hopefully (not likely) there's interest from a club seeking experienced d-man help this off season and Burke deals DP. The cap space would be a significant benefit.
Alot of you are going to feel like complete idiots reading back on these threads after this team matures in the next couple years, that's all im going to say
Yup.
And I'd guess that 2/3 of the 11/12 roster will not be on that 13/14 roster.
In 2013/14, I hope that our roster has the speed, skill, experience and character to compete throughout an 82 game schedule.
Toronto Sun + Phaneuf = 2 wrongs don't make a right.
The Sun isn't worth reading.
Burke put Phaneuf into a terrible situation.
Expecting Phaneuf to play #1 d minutes, and 1st unit PP & PK with his skill set and hockey IQ, particularly after what we saw from him while he was in Calgary was a hint-and-a-half of things to come. His slide was noticeable in 08-09; but when the Flames added Bouwmeester in 09-10, it accelerated DP's slide. DP's ego & personality didn't adjust to reduced ice time, or his role within the team. This was a huge miscalculation by Burke and/or his pro scouting dept.
Burke should have been astute enough to recognize that you can't have a guy with DP's personality be the lead dog of the d, let alone the team, especially in Toronto.
Phaneuf is more suited to a #3 D, 2nd pair minutes, with 1st unit PP, and limited 2nd unit PK. And under no circumstances should he be deployed to play the right side.
Hopefully (not likely) there's interest from a club seeking experienced d-man help this off season and Burke deals DP. The cap space would be a significant benefit.
It's funny reading all of this.
Phaneuf is a legitimate number one defenceman as Wilson and Carlyle agree and is almost impossible to replace on the market.
Phaneuf's certainly not a #1 D-man. He'd be an excellent peice to complement a true #1 dman. IMO he's our #1 out of what we have. But that doesn't warrant him as a true #1 throughout this league.
Tavares is a number 1 on a team that sits 27/30
Price is a number 1 on a team that sits 28/30
Problem?
No problem.
But I'd find it very amusing if you were trying to imply that Phaneuf is to defencemen what Price is to goalies and Tavares is to forwards, more specifically, elite or franchise type players.
Phaneuf's certainly not a #1 D-man. He'd be an excellent peice to complement a true #1 dman. IMO he's our #1 out of what we have. But that doesn't warrant him as a true #1 throughout this league.
Phaneuf is the #1 D
Bozak is the #1 C
Gustavsson is the #1 Goalie
Are there any more reasons required to know why the Leafs are horrible?
Why aren't the Islanders and the Canadiens in the playoffs?
The Canadiens were in the ECF 2 years ago, the leafs haven't been in the playoffs for 7, we're in no position to be taking shots at the Habs at this point in time
The Canadiens were in the ECF 2 years ago, the leafs haven't been in the playoffs for 7, we're in no position to be taking shots at the Habs at this point in time
Heaven forbid that I should write something negative about the Canadiens.
My most sincere apologies for offending you, I thought that this was the Leafs' group.
Heaven forbid that I should write something negative about the Canadiens.
My most sincere apologies for offending you, I thought that this was the Leafs' group.
You can say a lot of things about the Canadiens, but I just don't think you should use an argument like that. We both know that we'd kill for a ECF birth.
Anyways back on topic. Phaneuf is what he is, a good OFD, with some defensive deficiencies. Pair him with Suter and watch him become more well rounded. I don't think he should be the Captain, but no one else really stands out, maybe Grabo?
You can say a lot of things about the Canadiens, but I just don't think you should use an argument like that. We both know that we'd kill for a ECF birth.
Who cares, they are in the same pile of crap as the Leafs are now.
