If we draft Murray, it will be a huge mistake. This guy has Tom Poti, Cam Fowler, Jack Johnson witten all over him. That is not a top 4 pick in my opinion!
What the hell is wrong with Fowler? 20 years old and you're already grouping him with Poti and JJ?
I really do think Dumba would be a great fit to this team. After watching him play he would be my pick. The guy is fearless a great skater, great big hitter and a tough sob. This is something this team is lacking in the defence.
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I really like Dumba. This is the type of player we really need and are missing.
In the 10-11 season for the Red Deer Rebels Dumba scored 15 goals 11 assists. Then in the 11-12 season for Red Deer Rebels Dumba scored 20 goals along with 37 assists.
He is also a real physical, a big hitting d-man, and a guy who has no problem droping the gloves something this team is really missing. Outside of Hamonic we dont have any physical d-men. This team needs to start drafting more physicial players. I really like what I see from Dumba.
Dumba is going to be a stud! If this kid played in the World Juniors against the Russians, Canada would have won it all. He has all the tools plus is fearless!
with the recent posts in this thread, it appears as though the same thing is happening to murray that happened to couturier last year.
many posters picked about couturier's game and said he didn't have any identifiable outstanding quality (despite the fact that no one could definitively point out a MAJOR flaw in the kid's game), he was an older prospect having already played three years of junior hockey (it was comical hearing that players a little younger should be given more credit for their accomplishments than couturier), his game had leveled off (despite the fact that he produced the same amount of points in 10 less games than he had the season prior and the fact that the kid had been sick with mono), he was only average or even below average at the wjc (despite the following facts: 1. he contributed some offence and led his team in +/-, 2. this is NOT a tournament where underagers usually dominate, 3. making the team should have been credit enough!), etc. for all of these reasons, folks around here were posting how couturier shouldn't be the pick.
now, to murray. every single thing mentioned above about couturier applies to murray. it is almost eerie it is so similar. no one can find a MAJOR flaw in his game, he is one of those "old men" having played 3 seasons (i've read a couple of posts either here or elsewhere mentioning the benefits of choosing a player barely qualifying for this year's draft whereas i think that means absolutely nothing), his ppg was slightly better than his last whl campaign despite destroying his ankle and his playoff production was inspiring in the face of a superior opponent, and he was being counted on at the wjc to be a major player for canada even though he was an underager (he was good despite having to come back from injury and play at that level. btw, that game against russia was simply "one of those nights" where murphy's law was at work. those games happen even to the gretzkys of the world. the only problem for murray was that his was being watched by the world).
long story, short...murray is an excellent player and a lot of this crap i'm hearing from "experts" around these parts is just that.
Dumba is going to be a stud! If this kid played in the World Juniors against the Russians, Canada would have won it all. He has all the tools plus is fearless!
No, I've sen a lot of Murray. He is not a top 5 talent! Good player, but not one you consider a bonafide #1 d-man. Not even close!!! It will be a huge mistake to draft this kid this high. Dumba has more talent!!
No, I've sen a lot of Murray. He is not a top 5 talent! Good player, but not one you consider a bonafide #1 d-man. Not even close!!! It will be a huge mistake to draft this kid this high. Dumba has more talent!!
Oh, I wanted Courturier too last draft. I spend a lot of time at the ice rink because my son is a triple AAA player Bantam. I go to a lot of tournaments and seen a lot of these kids play. Murray is not a top 5 pick, top 10 yes.
No, I've sen a lot of Murray. He is not a top 5 talent! Good player, but not one you consider a bonafide #1 d-man. Not even close!!! It will be a huge mistake to draft this kid this high. Dumba has more talent!!
i'll just disagree with your assessment of ryan murray. if he is available at #4, i believe the isles will have an excellent player to select.
Forsberg is an elite talent, I'm convinced he's going to be a stud. Stats or no, he's got the best overall toolset IMO. Some people knock his skating, but I'm confident he'll work on it and improve (he just needs to grow up a little). He's the most highly touted Swede forward since Backstrom, I'll take that. Sweden is pumping out high end talent and has been for a little while. With the #4 overall pick, you need to draft someone dynamic and I see that in Forsberg.
If Forsberg is on the board at 4, we are fools if we pass on him. The #1 need the Isles have is for a star quality 2nd option to JT. He is it
Tavares is developing into a beast,while both Hedman and Duchene struggle.
Duchene defense has taken a step back since his rookie season.He doesn't do a good job finding and using his linemates.
I wouldn't trade JT for Hedman and Duchene together
I think right now may be the right time to trade Mark Streit. Had a productive season despite the ugly +/- but is 34 and at the end of his prime. This might be the last chance for us to get a good return on him.
That being said, I think we should try and deal him for another pick in this draft. What type of return do you guys think we can get for him?
8th pick from Carolina?
10th from Tampa?
15th from Washington?
I think right now may be the right time to trade Mark Streit. Had a productive season despite the ugly +/- but is 34 and at the end of his prime. This might be the last chance for us to get a good return on him.
That being said, I think we should try and deal him for another pick in this draft. What type of return do you guys think we can get for him?
8th pick from Carolina?
10th from Tampa?
15th from Washington?
Thoughts?
Carolina and Tampa are in the same boat as us so they aren't going to want to build around a 35 year old. Wash is closer to becoming a Championship caliber team but WHY would we want to help out any other Eastern Conference team? If Streit is traded don't bother watching next season, we will be out by December again.
Honestly, I don't really feel compelled to defend Garth Snow. There are things that he does that I just simply don't like. However, under his regime, the Islanders have done a really nice job of replenishing their prospect pool. Obviously, we can't keep all the prospects, because there eventually just won't be room. I make a selection at this year's draft. I don't trade it. When some of these prospects develop at, even the AHL level, they'll become worth something to some team, and at that point, they can be traded for established talent. I'm hopeful that building through the draft isn't restricted to only players who this team drafts will ever play for the Islanders.
In the prospect pool, a logjam is beginning to develop in the forward positions. It's not the worst thing. We aren't "set" anywhere except for the #1 center position. Perhaps we're not too far off from shifting assets. And if we can ever get Chaz to stop trashing our building and make a few repairs, maybe we can trade some of the overabundant forward prospects for that much needed defenseman. I'm not defending Garth, but if he does something like this, I will.
Way to regurgitate the opinions of people of those who don't watch Anaheim play more than 5 games and use +/- as a primary resource.
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Originally Posted by LotteryForLife
I think right now may be the right time to trade Mark Streit. Had a productive season despite the ugly +/- but is 34 and at the end of his prime. This might be the last chance for us to get a good return on him.
That being said, I think we should try and deal him for another pick in this draft. What type of return do you guys think we can get for him?
8th pick from Carolina?
10th from Tampa?
15th from Washington?
Do NOT trade Streit, he REALLY found his groove at the end of the season. The guy missed a full year of hockey for christ sakes, I think getting rid of one of the only legit D-men we have would be a mistake. Down the stretch he looked like All Star Streit again, I wouldn't give up on him yet. The problem is that we are relying on him as a #1 D-man, which he is not. He is a #3 or #4 with good offensive abilities.
Forsberg is the guy, IMHO. Dumba? He reminds me of a tough skilled but smallish forward from Red Deer we counted on as being a solid second liner: Justin Mapletoft. He just wan't big enough but OH! If only he could play in the NHL like he did in juniors!
Murray will be solid but I think Leetch beats Niedermeyer, so I'd bank on Reilly, who seems more ready for the bigs now as I have heard.
But that matters not. We'll have Forsber or Galchenyuk......and Forsberg has better smarts and skill. Dumba and Reilly aren't ranked higher than either, so why do the Nino/Bailey redux and not nab the BPA?
Of course their is our GM's character thing. Which one was a boy scout and who does topless push-ups in chains the best?
Forsberg is an elite talent, I'm convinced he's going to be a stud. Stats or no, he's got the best overall toolset IMO. Some people knock his skating, but I'm confident he'll work on it and improve (he just needs to grow up a little). He's the most highly touted Swede forward since Backstrom, I'll take that. Sweden is pumping out high end talent and has been for a little while. With the #4 overall pick, you need to draft someone dynamic and I see that in Forsberg.
Yeah, more and more I just see this as being our best move if we are building around JT. I'm not a pro scout and I don't know how the interviews go but just judging videos, articles, highlights and projections he seems to be just what the doctor is writing us a prescription for...
Yeah, more and more I just see this as being our best move if we are building around JT. I'm not a pro scout and I don't know how the interviews go but just judging videos, articles, highlights and projections he seems to be just what the doctor is writing us a prescription for...
You mean we have Sakic and have a chance to draft a nice complimentary player like....?
Things will certainly change at the World Juniors, but these four seem to have really emerged as the top 4. It might just be easier to pick whoever's left at 4 and then worry about defense in the second round.
I don't think the top 4 will be effected by the U18 tournament.
None of them are there.
Things could however change considerably in the 5-20 range, much less later in the draft.
The U18 has started to gain CONSIDERABLE influence and prestige within the scouting community.
Judging by the CHL playoffs and U18 tourney, I'm truly wondering if grabbing a couple of guys like Collberg and Maatta wouldn't be more beneficial than ONE of the top 4 guys.
Of course, I'm still thinking about soliciting Washington's two firsts for ours.
Just off hand, the top scorer after 3 games at the U18 is not Forsberg, Dumba or Collberg (well, currently 2nd), but rather a Swedish kid named Wenneberg - who isn't eligible for drafting until 2013.
I think right now may be the right time to trade Mark Streit. Had a productive season despite the ugly +/- but is 34 and at the end of his prime. This might be the last chance for us to get a good return on him.
That being said, I think we should try and deal him for another pick in this draft. What type of return do you guys think we can get for him?
8th pick from Carolina?
10th from Tampa?
15th from Washington?
Thoughts?
Sure, why not? Trade our best defenseman and then at draft select Forsberg with Murray on the table and watch our Goalie getting 50+ shots a night! Seems entertaining!
