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04-05-2012, 01:08 PM
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USOC: we won't bid on any games until IOC changes revenue-sharing

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/05/439...#mi_rss=Sports

California and Nevada "Tahoe" committees join forces to promote host of 1960 Winter Games.

USOC has until 2013 to determine if they want to bid, and would pick one city/region (Tahoe, Denver, and perhaps Bozeman, MT). However:

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Officials have said the [USOC] committee will not bid for any Games until it agrees on a new revenue-sharing deal with the International Olympic Committee.

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I guess we will see if the Olympics are about spirit and an ideal or about money. I hope the IOC picks ideology and doesn't sellout.

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The Olympic games are as big as they are because of US TV money and US corporate sponsorship. Period. These monies are the greatest non-local-government share of any revenue that any organizing committee has to use. It's only fair that the USOC receive their fair share. The USA would survive quite nicely without the Olympic games. The IOC would become insolvent without the USA. And if you don't believe that then consider why the IOC doesn't think that 80% of US sponsorship and 87.3% of the US TV revenue isn't enough.


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The Olympic games are as big as they are because of US TV money and US corporate sponsorship. Period. These monies are the greatest non-local-government share of any revenue that any organizing committee has to use. It's only fair that the USOC receive their fair share. The USA would survive quite nicely without the Olympic games. The IOC would become insolvent without the USA.
They should still be content with what they are getting. Do their part to help the poorer countries along and help grow the games. If Mexico gets a bigger cut, maybe they can invest more in their athletes. Providing more entertainment worldwide

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They should still be content with what they are getting. Do their part to help the poorer countries along and help grow the games. If Mexico gets a bigger cut, maybe they can invest more in their athletes. Providing more entertainment worldwide
Funny how it works that way for the Olympics, but the idea of using Canadian fans money to grow hockey in the US is communist and wrong.

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Funny how it works that way for the Olympics, but the idea of using Canadian fans money to grow hockey in the US is communist and wrong.
Do you think I got the idea from reading these boards? Maybe I just wanted to guage the reaction?

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I feel like 20% of global revenue is enough.

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I'm just more flabbergasted the Bozeman, Montana is being considered by anyone....

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Wow, Bozeman? Only drove through the city to get to Jackson Hole so don't remember much but is there much to the city?

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The USOC is only doing this because its own sponsors and supporters have been dropping them in the economic downturn.

This was being discussed during the 2010 Olympics at the very least.

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The USA would survive quite nicely without the Olympic games. The IOC would become insolvent without the USA. And if you don't believe that then consider why the IOC doesn't think that 80% of US sponsorship and 87.3% of the US TV revenue isn't enough.
Bingo. One way street regardless of whether or not the USOC is struggling to secure & or retain sponsors during these tough times. Who in their right minds agree's to a split like that without some serious graft going on somewhere somehow...

Hell, you could cover every door, wall & ceiling in Aaron Spellings Mansion in Blue Velvet with about 2.3 seconds worth of interest on the kind of money the IOC hauls out of the States every 4yrs on just the Winter Games alone. Lets take em' down Frank.

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Not a surprise with the IOC being a classic example of an organization that bites the hand that feeds it.

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Wow, Bozeman? Only drove through the city to get to Jackson Hole so don't remember much but is there much to the city?
Its all ski resorts for the most part. Big Sky is one of the largest resorts in the country. It would be similar to when Lake Placid, Albertville and Lillehammer had the games.

I can't imagine Bozeman ever having the games unless they did it in conjunction with a larger city. The amount of facilities they would need to be build would be cost-prohibitive.

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I wonder if this hurts or harms Quebec City's chances of hosting the olympics in the next 30 years.

I happen to think it will hurt since the IOC will want to go the the States again before going to Canada.

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I wonder if this hurts or harms Quebec City's chances of hosting the olympics in the next 30 years.

I happen to think it will hurt since the IOC will want to go the the States again before going to Canada.
My understanding of the situation is that QC has put those plans on hold or decided against it altogether as the FIS has serious issues with their lack of vertical at Mt. St. Anne / Stoneham.

The Downhill could be built at Sainte Anne or shifted to Tremblant (they too would have to add vertical though not as much). If Lake Placid and several other Winter Games were acceptable in the intervening years in locations suffering from similar challenges then Im sure QC could pull it off as well given enough lead time.

However your right about the USOC's contentious position with regards to the revenue splits being one sided, egregious, affecting a Canadian bid as well. Fact is, the IOC had best be addressing that along with the NHL's concerns and fast or theyll find themselves staging games in Europe and Southeast Asia, the former Soviet Union for good. And thats not gonna work for them....

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My understanding of the situation is that QC has put those plans on hold or decided against it altogether as the FIS has serious issues with their lack of vertical at Mt. St. Anne / Stoneham.

The Downhill could be built at Sainte Anne or shifted to Tremblant (they too would have to add vertical though not as much). If Lake Placid and several other Winter Games were acceptable in the intervening years in locations suffering from similar challenges then Im sure QC could pull it off as well given enough lead time.

However your right about the USOC's contentious position with regards to the revenue splits being one sided, egregious, affecting a Canadian bid as well. Fact is, the IOC had best be addressing that along with the NHL's concerns and fast or theyll find themselves staging games in Europe and Southeast Asia, the former Soviet Union for good. And thats not gonna work for them....
They're too much like Bernie Ecclestone and FIFA. Bernie just hawks his F1 circus around to whoever pays him the most money. Formula One is a world championship by name and always has been, but in reality it was always more a European championship with a couple flyaway races. But now the F1 European Grand Prix where the sport is most popular can't afford it so the races are all going off to more exotic locales where the governments are subsidizing everything (and it pisses me off there's a couple people in Austin, Texas, and New Jersey that are stupid enough to fall for it, although after paying Bernie his money it's not even a guarantee the Austin race will come off this year).

Listening to some baseball folks a couple years ago and they were weighing the IOC dropping baseball compared to the Major League Baseball-organized World Baseball Classic. Both agreed the WBC was better and said that "yes, MLB organized this event to make money, but unlike the IOC, at least they're honest about it". And unlike FIFA they're not corrupt as hell. The IOC's effectively an organization that makes a mint off of paying zero for athlete labor.

Ronda Rousey won a bronze for the U.S. in judo at the 2008 Olympics, first-ever American female Olympic medalist in the sport and it's thought if she stayed in it she'd've been a favorite for gold in 2012. But she got out of it and went into MMA and part of the reason she said why was that after she won her bronze medal the USOC gave her a handshake and said "well done" and gave her a check for $10000. She thought at the time "winning this medal costs me a lot more than $10000".

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Its all ski resorts for the most part. Big Sky is one of the largest resorts in the country. It would be similar to when Lake Placid, Albertville and Lillehammer had the games.

I can't imagine Bozeman ever having the games unless they did it in conjunction with a larger city. The amount of facilities they would need to be build would be cost-prohibitive.
Billings close enough to house the hockey/skating events?

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My understanding of the situation is that QC has put those plans on hold or decided against it altogether as the FIS has serious issues with their lack of vertical at Mt. St. Anne / Stoneham.

The Downhill could be built at Sainte Anne or shifted to Tremblant (they too would have to add vertical though not as much). If Lake Placid and several other Winter Games were acceptable in the intervening years in locations suffering from similar challenges then Im sure QC could pull it off as well given enough lead time.

However your right about the USOC's contentious position with regards to the revenue splits being one sided, egregious, affecting a Canadian bid as well. Fact is, the IOC had best be addressing that along with the NHL's concerns and fast or theyll find themselves staging games in Europe and Southeast Asia, the former Soviet Union for good. And thats not gonna work for them....
I've heard the FIS objection before. I've also heard of sporting federations in the past objecting to conditions and having to put up with them once the games were finalized. The FIS has to understand that its hard for these small towns to put on these events despite their awesome location to mountains.

I'd rather compromise the 1-4 ski events if it meant the other events were done well in a city that could handle it.

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Thing is, Mt. St. Anne with some work could stage a decent DH. Remember Nagano?. What a joke.

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Thing is, Mt. St. Anne with some work could stage a decent DH. Remember Nagano?. What a joke.
TBH, I was only in grade4 at the time so was not truly following Olympics that closely. That bad?

Is it a case of the FIS being too picky when their event is not truly the biggest draw of the Winter Games?

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TBH, I was only in grade4 at the time so was not truly following Olympics that closely. That bad?

Is it a case of the FIS being too picky when their event is not truly the biggest draw of the Winter Games?
I dont know what their problem is quite frankly. You could build an Olympic or World Cup caliber Downhill & Super G course almost anywhere and from scratch if youve got enough earth, dozers & graders, money & time. Between Mont Saint Anne & Stoneham more than enough "World Class" terrain to pull it off.

As for being in Grade 4 when Nagano was staged as a "bad"?. Not in my book. Why, I enjoyed the 4th Grade so much I spent several enjoyable years in that particular form. From the Squaw Valley games in 60 to I believe Tokyo or Mexico City in 64... or maybe it was 68. No matter.

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Que. olympic ski hill rejected
- International Ski Federation says despite solutions Le Massif too flat for games

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...-rejected.html

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Thank god

The IOC are such tool bags anyway

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Doesn't the USOC get the largest % already in revenue sharing with the IOC? The Olympics is supposed to be about promoting sport worldwide, not making sure the Americans can make sure they are always on top of the medal count.

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