The way Babcock is I wouldn't be surprised to see him full time soon. This kid has the big size that we need and it will be harder to knock him off the puck. Emmerton and Murzak are just to small and to soft for the 4th line. I like how we are starting to realize we need bigger players.
The Wings have ALWAYS known that. You don't take into consideration that by the time the Wings pick, all the big players WITH SKILL have already been snatched up. Think about that.
The Wings have ALWAYS known that. You don't take into consideration that by the time the Wings pick, all the big players WITH SKILL have already been snatched up. Think about that.
This.
Sheahan at #21 was the Wings' 2nd highest/smallest pick since 1991. Only Kindl was picked before him at #19 in 2005 and both of these guys are clearly big kids with skill along with their size. After the 1st round, or more like after the top 20, you'll have a hard time finding guys who are big and have top6/top4 two-way skills. They might develop into that but at age 18 they're not that yet. The last three drafts the Wings picked very well in the 2nd round, though.
The Wings have ALWAYS known that. You don't take into consideration that by the time the Wings pick, all the big players WITH SKILL have already been snatched up. Think about that.
Dude.
That's simply BS.
Let's go back to 2006, which is about how far back you need to go to find a red wings draft pick with 100 NHL games to his name.
Here are the physical or big players with 100+ NHL games played drafted AFTER Cory Emmerton
Shawn Matthias
Jeff Petry 6'3 defenseman from MSU (100+ games)
Milan Lucic
6'2 defenseman Mike Weber
6'2 D Jamie McBain
Cal Clutterbuck
6'2 223 Theo Peckham
6'3 forward Victor Stalberg (how did Hakan miss this guy?)
Now, that might not seem like a lot. But considering the only Red Wing drafted that year with a 100 games played is Matthias, I'd say it's quite obvious we could draft bigger or more physical players.
But they're not good at drafting bigger, physical players. They've not shown they can draft well in North America.
We'll see if Sheahan, Smith, Sproul, Ouellet and Aubry, etc show that we've turned a corner.
The Wings have ALWAYS known that. You don't take into consideration that by the time the Wings pick, all the big players WITH SKILL have already been snatched up. Think about that.
there are always big players with skill available when they pick.
for example, sproul was available at 55 and jurco at 35.
DRW wanted edler, a big player with skill, who was picked by vancouver at 91.
Let's go back to 2006, which is about how far back you need to go to find a red wings draft pick with 100 NHL games to his name.
Here are the physical or big players with 100+ NHL games played drafted AFTER Cory Emmerton
Shawn Matthias
Jeff Petry 6'3 defenseman from MSU (100+ games)
Milan Lucic
6'2 defenseman Mike Weber
6'2 D Jamie McBain
Cal Clutterbuck
6'2 223 Theo Peckham
6'3 forward Victor Stalberg (how did Hakan miss this guy?)
Now, that might not seem like a lot. But considering the only Red Wing drafted that year with a 100 games played is Matthias, I'd say it's quite obvious we could draft bigger or more physical players.
But they're not good at drafting bigger, physical players. They've not shown they can draft well in North America.
We'll see if Sheahan, Smith, Sproul, Ouellet and Aubry, etc show that we've turned a corner.
Lucic? Thanks Kenny! Oh and Ferraro sucks. Worst pick ever.
Of course there will always be big guys who end up being good NHL'ers picked later on. But if they showed signs of having an NHL career like all these guys mentioned have, they wouldn't have been picked that late. I doubt Shea Weber was considered a future top-2 d-man in his draft year when he scored 2 goals in 70 WHL-games and was picked #49?
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Lucic? Thanks Kenny! Oh and Ferraro sucks. Worst pick ever.
This is so not true. Just shows how much you've actually seen him play. He might not become a top6 forward but he definitely has a chance of making the NHL.
Of course there will always be big guys who end up being good NHL'ers picked later on. But if they showed signs of having an NHL career like all these guys mentioned have, they wouldn't have been picked that late. I doubt Shea Weber was considered a future top-2 d-man in his draft year when he scored 2 goals in 70 WHL-games and was picked #49?
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If the Wings had a good idea Datsyuk or Zetterberg would be good NHLers, would they have waited until rounds 5 an 7?
If the Wings had a good idea Datsyuk or Zetterberg would be good NHLers, would they have waited until rounds 5 an 7?
If they were reasonably sure that no one else knew about them? Maybe. I read that they told Lidstrom to stay away from the draft. And then there's Fedorov. Everyone knew he was the best player of draft age, but availability was iffy.
If they were reasonably sure that no one else knew about them? Maybe. I read that they told Lidstrom to stay away from the draft. And then there's Fedorov. Everyone knew he was the best player of draft age, but availability was iffy.
That's ridiculous. First of all, you have NO way of knowing with certainty that no other team has seen a player.
Secondly, if you really think Datsyuk and Zetterberg have a good shot at being elite players, and then you go and draft Adam Deleeuw, Jake McCracken, Ryan Barnes, Brent Hobday, Carl Steen, Jari Tolsa, Andrei Maximenko, Tomek Valtonen and Kent McDonnell ahead of the,,,
I'm still getting caught up here after missing the last week, but how the hell did Sheahan get bumped to the head of the line after three mediocre NCAA seasons and no time in GR? I don't like the guy as an NHLer, but Andersson put up 44 points in 66 games in GR, and he's just as big as Sheahan. Shouldn't he have been higher in the pecking order than some guy who couldn't score on 5'4" NCAA goalies?
That's ridiculous. First of all, you have NO way of knowing with certainty that no other team has seen a player.
Secondly, if you really think Datsyuk and Zetterberg have a good shot at being elite players, and then you go and draft Adam Deleeuw, Jake McCracken, Ryan Barnes, Brent Hobday, Carl Steen, Jari Tolsa, Andrei Maximenko, Tomek Valtonen and Kent McDonnell ahead of the,,,
Well, it doesn't say much for you intelligence.
Zetterberg was seen as too small to play in the NHL. Like Jarnkrok recently he was about 155lbs when drafted.
As far as Datsyuk, it's fairly well known that the Wings believed they were the only NHL team who had seen Datsyuk play (hell they only saw him by accident). They could afford to wait til the 7th round. Of course they didn't realize he would become one of the best players in the NHL but they had a good feeling about him.
I'm still getting caught up here after missing the last week, but how the hell did Sheahan get bumped to the head of the line after three mediocre NCAA seasons and no time in GR? I don't like the guy as an NHLer, but Andersson put up 44 points in 66 games in GR, and he's just as big as Sheahan. Shouldn't he have been higher in the pecking order than some guy who couldn't score on 5'4" NCAA goalies?
This was my thought at first too. BUT, Andersson has gotten his share of NHL action this season and they obviously wanted Sheahan to get a whiff of what it's all about to play in the NHL before heading into the off-season. Neither will be playing in the playoffs, so I don't see the big deal in that. It's not like Sheahan is now suddenly above Andersson in the pecking order.
Zetterberg was seen as too small to play in the NHL. Like Jarnkrok recently he was about 155lbs when drafted.
As far as Datsyuk, it's fairly well known that the Wings believed they were the only NHL team who had seen Datsyuk play (hell they only saw him by accident). They could afford to wait til the 7th round. Of course they didn't realize he would become one of the best players in the NHL but they had a good feeling about him.
The believed it, but did they KNOW it?
Nope.
The Wings were taking a shot in the dark and trusting the instincts of their scouts. Which is how it's supposed to work
Problem is, their shots in the dark when it comes to North America have been pretty lousy.'
We feel really good about Datsyuk. But since we're confident nobody else knows about him, we're going to waste a couple picks on these crappy prospects......
I'm still getting caught up here after missing the last week, but how the hell did Sheahan get bumped to the head of the line after three mediocre NCAA seasons and no time in GR? I don't like the guy as an NHLer, but Andersson put up 44 points in 66 games in GR, and he's just as big as Sheahan. Shouldn't he have been higher in the pecking order than some guy who couldn't score on 5'4" NCAA goalies?
Wow this post is full of hyperbole... Just because Sheahan got called up for a game to get looked at, does not mean he is ahead of anyone in the pecking order. Abelkader got called up for a game right after he signed a contract out of Michigan state also, but he still started the next 2 seasons in GR. Andersson is most likely ahead of Sheahan in the pecking order still, they just wanted to try Sheahan for a game to see how he played against pros. Andersson has been called up for 5 games this year, so it's not like he hasn't gotten a call up himself.
I'm still getting caught up here after missing the last week, but how the hell did Sheahan get bumped to the head of the line after three mediocre NCAA seasons and no time in GR? I don't like the guy as an NHLer, but Andersson put up 44 points in 66 games in GR, and he's just as big as Sheahan. Shouldn't he have been higher in the pecking order than some guy who couldn't score on 5'4" NCAA goalies?
Actually, he played 7 games in GR.
I see what you're saying, but if Babcock's quotes are to be believed, he isn't really ahead of anyone right now. Doesn't really make sense why they played him, given that there's almost no chance he'll be in the playoff lineup at all, but it is what it is. Guess they figured they had nothing to lose.
I see what you're saying, but if Babcock's quotes are to be believed, he isn't really ahead of anyone right now. Doesn't really make sense why they played him, given that there's almost no chance he'll be in the playoff lineup at all, but it is what it is. Guess they figured they had nothing to lose.
Yeah, or I guess I could buy the argument that they're saving the better players for GR's playoff push, but they're out of the playoffs and there's really no push. I dunno.
It's also kind of a big middle finger to guys like Tatar that have put in a lot of work developing their games at the pro level, only to find out that it doesn't matter and some guy who's big and has no hands is going to get the nod over him anyway. If it's just a throwaway, why not use it to reward the guy that's put in the work all year?
Yeah, or I guess I could buy the argument that they're saving the better players for GR's playoff push, but they're out of the playoffs and there's really no push. I dunno.
It's also kind of a big middle finger to guys like Tatar that have put in a lot of work developing their games at the pro level, only to find out that it doesn't matter and some guy who's big and has no hands is going to get the nod over him anyway. If it's just a throwaway, why not use it to reward the guy that's put in the work all year?
No hands? Have you watched Sheahan play? Hes got pretty good hands, especially for a big power forward type.
But why wouldnt they try him out? On the fourth line hes one of the best defensive players coming out of the NCAA, has size which the roster lacks and was just playing on the fourth line. What works better and has a better chance at sticking on the fourth line in the playoffs...
The almost 6'3 215lb, strong defensively, physical guy who was a high pick and has a good skill set on him or the small, undersized Tatar, who has some nifty moves and could score some points in a few years?
Out of every prospect in the wings system right now Sheahan is probably the best suited to play on a fourth line in the NHL right now given his size, style of play and defensive ability
Yeah, or I guess I could buy the argument that they're saving the better players for GR's playoff push, but they're out of the playoffs and there's really no push. I dunno.
It's also kind of a big middle finger to guys like Tatar that have put in a lot of work developing their games at the pro level, only to find out that it doesn't matter and some guy who's big and has no hands is going to get the nod over him anyway. If it's just a throwaway, why not use it to reward the guy that's put in the work all year?
Dude... it's one game. If he gets called up for the playoffs or as a black ace over the other guys, then sure, you have a point. But I doubt that will be the case. Have you ever actually watched Sheahan play, or do you just look at his stats?
Yeah, or I guess I could buy the argument that they're saving the better players for GR's playoff push, but they're out of the playoffs and there's really no push. I dunno.
It's also kind of a big middle finger to guys like Tatar that have put in a lot of work developing their games at the pro level, only to find out that it doesn't matter and some guy who's big and has no hands is going to get the nod over him anyway. If it's just a throwaway, why not use it to reward the guy that's put in the work all year?
Tatar isn't a 4th line player. and to be honest Sheahan played better than Emmerton on most nights. the Wings love to test out young players in the playoffs, but i think they figured this was a better idea than that. they called up Conner so i think his time in the NHL is over for the year, but remember he was a 1st round pick and that does get you extra looks because no one wants to waste a 1st. just my opinion, i am also a huge fan of his so i might be somewhat biased.
