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11-27-2004, 04:34 PM
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Frolov best Russian?

After the World Cup I had the impression that Alexander Frolov, who has been usually overshadowed by players such as Ilya Kovalchuk, Stan Chistov and Nikolai Zherdev, was going to be the best Russian player in the upcoming years. I mean he's the only one of Russia's new generation of players who has the ability to score, set up a play, and carry the puck keeping the puck beyond the opponent's reach!

And today I watched a Russian Super League game between CSKA and Avangard. The game ended in a 4-4 tie, but it turned out to be a duel between Jaromir Jagr (3 goals) and Alexander Frolov (2 goals, assist). Frolov played very similarly to Jagr : by that I mean he was hodling to the puck very strong in the offensive zone, and thus created a good amount of scoring chances. But he's also got fantastic speed!!!

So what I'm trying to say, is that in my opinion, Alexander Frolov is better than Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Malkin and Zherdev!

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Question for you, did Perezhogin play for Omsk?

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Question for you, did Perezhogin play for Omsk?
I have no idea ... I haven't noticed him.

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yeah frolov is looking to be next russian "jagr" type of player man he really uses his body well to shield the puck

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It's funny, when I made the Jagr-Frolov comparison a number of months ago, I was laughed at.

I don't think Frolov will ever be as good as Jagr, but their styles are certainly similar. Jagr however, is a much better stickhandler, and shooter.

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You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don't even consider Frolov to be the same caliber as Kovalchuk, not by a long shot.

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So what I'm trying to say, is that in my opinion, Alexander Frolov is better than Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Malkin and Zherdev!
Ovechkin, Malkin, and Zherdev? not a problem, these guys still need time to prove themselves, so at the moment you can say Frolov is better, but better then Kovalchuk? you gotta kiddin me.

I don't care how well Frolov is doing in the Russian league, Ovechkin is doing better then Kovalchuk but I would never dare to open my mouth and say he's better, Kovalchuk in my opinion is the best young Russian today, and he's proved it in the NHL, when you score 100 goals by the age of 20 you know you got something special going there, but Frolov is nothing special, yes he has star potential, but he's not a special player like Kovalchuk, so until he does better then Kovalchuk in the NHL, then I'll say it, for now he's just some bright youngster who has top line star potential.

Ohh and Frolov will never be as good as Jagr, not even close, I see him at his best something like Yashin or even Sundin with less offense, but Jagr? no way.

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IMO...

Kovalchuk, Zherdev, Malkin, and Ovechkin will all be higher scorers than Frolov. Frolov may play a better all around game, tho...

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Sergei Fedorov is the best. Don't tell me anything else.

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Kovalev is better then Frolov IMO.

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lol everyone defending their guys!!

Well what russians do you mean?

Forward: kovalchuck

Defense: Ive heard in the blackhawks thread that babchuk si the next thing

Goalie: khabibulin

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Kovalev is better then Frolov IMO.
More skilled, but not better. Hell, he's probably the most skilled player in the NHL. But...You have to play more than 25 games in an NHL season in order to be considered.

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More skilled, but not better. Hell, he's probably the most skilled player in the NHL. But...You have to play more than 25 games in an NHL season in order to be considered.
Are you talking about Kovalev or Frolov having to play more then 25 games?

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Kovalev is better then Frolov IMO.
Better at Diving?

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Better at Diving?
Very funny.. Kovalev is one of the toughest elite players in the game today. Hes got talent, finesse, speed, deking ability, a great shot and IMO the most natural russian player in the NHL today. Kovalchuk is the only one who is on the same level.

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Very funny.. Kovalev is one of the toughest elite players in the game today. Hes got talent, finesse, speed, deking ability, a great shot and IMO the most natural russian player in the NHL today. Kovalchuk is the only one who is on the same level.

He will NEVER be a PAVEL BURE though..NEVER. Plus its hit or miss if Kovy will actually play to his POTENTIAL on any given night.

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Yeah but right now he IS BETTER then Bure.

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Are you talking about Kovalev or Frolov having to play more then 25 games?

Kovalev

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Very funny.. Kovalev is one of the toughest elite players in the game today. Hes got talent, finesse, speed, deking ability, a great shot and IMO the most natural russian player in the NHL today. Kovalchuk is the only one who is on the same level.

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I don't think Frolov will ever be as good as Kovalchuk. But they are very different.

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Yeah he is. You guys gotta get over his ONE dive like 9 years ago you know.

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I don't think Frolov will ever be as good as Kovalchuk. But they are very different.
Frolov is better defensively and a better playmaker. :lol

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Hes tougher then Gretzky at least.

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Hes tougher then Gretzky at least.
Please don't compare Kovalev and Wayne Gretzky again.
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It's hard to say if the NHL was played this season, wether Frolov would do better than Kovalev. Remeber Frolov scored 14 goals in his first season, 24 in his second, and would probably hit 30 or more in his 3rd year (based on estimated progress from year to year)





So as far as Kovalev vs Frolov, last year Kovalev but this year, I don't know Frolov could have made a very good case for himself.

Right now Frolov is 2nd in the RSL in goals, and 4 in points. We have to remember that Frolov as a 19 year old (prior to coming to the NHL) did great in the RSL. He scored I believe 17 goals and was leading the league in goal scoring through the halfway mark of the season before leaving for the WJC's and his knee injury. So, it would be interesting to compare Frolov's numbers as a 19 year old in the RSL to the other top young Russian forwards. I think it was expected this year, a more mature and better frolov than the one from 2 years ago would take the RSL goal scoring title (or be very close)

So far, nothing fancy, but Fro is keeping up to expecations with 11 goals, 11 assists in 22 games.

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