I'm pretty sure we are 6th right now, not 5th. I think the "if two clubs are tied" part in #3 is referring to if two clubs are tied in the amount of points earned against each other when they've played each other.
No. I think this should be made the thread title to stop the unnecessary confusion:
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If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included.
I think Ponder is right, you guys need to read the first line of the 3rd rule:
3) The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing.
The Leafs have earned the greater number of points in the games between the two clubs. The part after that is IF they are tied in the amount of points they have earned between each other, which they are not.
I'm pretty sure we are 6th right now, not 5th. I think the "if two clubs are tied" part in #3 is referring to if two clubs are tied in the amount of points earned against each other when they've played each other.
But they've only played one game so that would be impossible. And two game series, four game series, and six game series all have an equal split of home games.
I think Ponder is right, you guys need to read the first line of the 3rd rule:
3) The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing.
The Leafs have earned the greater number of points in the games between the two clubs. The part after that is IF they are tied in the amount of points they have earned between each other, which they are not.
Read this
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Originally Posted by LeafOfBread
I don't think you are right, sorry. Think of it this way, you either play a team once, twice, four times or six times in a season. The schedule is always as balanced as possible, allowing an equal number of home games for each team, if possible. You never play a team only 3 times, so right away your hypothetical is invalid too.
Breaking it down, why would they include the last portion "If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included."? It only makes sense if only one game is played, because two games, four game, and six games all have an equal split of home games for the two teams involved.
And if only one game has been played, it is impossible to be "tied" in head-to-head points. So why would it be talking about if the teams are tied in head to head points? Unless of course this tie-breaker only applies while the season is still active, but makes no difference when the standings are final.
Lol, I've tried telling them to read that simple sentence in another thread and this thread recently but everyone still doesn't seem to understand. Unbelievable.
Lol, I've tried telling them to read that simple sentence in another thread and this thread recently but everyone still doesn't seem to understand. Unbelievable.
Yeah this is turning into a "what is the truth behind NHL tiebreakers?" thread The only website that lists us as 6th is ESPN and anyone who takes ESPN seriously for hockey should gtfo
I think Ponder is right, you guys need to read the first line of the 3rd rule:
3) The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing.
The Leafs have earned the greater number of points in the games between the two clubs. The part after that is IF they are tied in the amount of points they have earned between each other, which they are not.
You need to read the rest of that line:
3) The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing.
Yeah this is turning into a "what is the truth behind NHL tiebreakers?" thread The only website that lists us as 6th is ESPN and anyone who takes ESPN seriously for hockey should gtfo
It is an NHL conspiracy to make the Leafs think they are worse than they actually are and motivate them to win the game against Montreal
Of course, even if the Leafs finish 5th from the bottom, they still might draft 6th, if the 6th, 7th, 8th, or 9th from the bottom team wins the lottery.
I think we can all agree that criteria #3 is worded extremely poorly.
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3. Head-to-Head Record: Most points in games against each other among the tied teams (If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing).
The "if two clubs are tied" bit is what's confusing because this is tiebreaker criteria, so of course the teams are already tied. It's a captain obvious statement. It goes without saying. It's an unnecessary statement that is making it more confusing that it has to be. Why would they need to say "if two teams are tied"? There is no other possibility than teams being tied because we are using tiebreaker criteria. Thus, it makes me wonder if the "if two teams are tied" means "if two teams are tied in the number of points earned against each other during the season."
3. Head-to-Head Record: Most points in games against each other among the tied teams (If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing).
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Wouldn't this mean that, because the Ducks and Leafs have only played each other once this season, therefore that game wouldn't count: "points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included." That basically means that, since there was only one game played, that game is "the first game", and is not included.
THEREFORE, it would skip this tiebreaker completely between TOR & ANA, going to the goal differential. Anaheim has a -24 goal differential, whereas Toronto has a -30, therefore Toronto is worse and claims 26th.
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Yeah, and I've been one of the few who have been saying that the H2H criteria wouldn't apply in the TOR/ANA situation for that reason. I agree, we are definitely 5th, I just find that poorly worded.
This assumes Anaheim's goal differential is not more than 5 worse than ours in this game.
Updating my post from page 10 re: the tiebreaker with Anaheim
If we lose in regulation: Pick range 4th or 5th
4th - Isles win (Regulation vs OT/SO has no bearing)
5th - Isles lose (Regulation vs OT/SO has no bearing)
If we lose in OT/SO: Pick range 5th-7th
5th - Anaheim and Minnesota both get a point
6th - Only one of Anaheim or Minnesota gets a point
7th - Neither Anaheim nor Minnesota get a point
If we win in SO: Pick range 5th-7th
5th - Anaheim wins and Minnesota wins
6th - Either Anaheim or Minnesota wins, but not both
7th - Neither Anaheim nor Minnesota win
If we win in regulation/OT: Pick range 5th-7th
5th - Minnesota wins and Anaheim wins in regulation/OT
6th - Either Minnesota wins or Anaheim wins in regulation/OT, but not both
7th - Minnesota loses and Anaheim either loses or goes to a shootout.
Obviously then the lowest we can pick is 8th (we finish 7th and a team from 8th to 11th win the lotto) and the highest we can pick is 1st (we finish 4th or 5th and win the lotto)
The only website that lists us as 6th is ESPN and anyone who takes ESPN seriously for hockey should gtfo
woohoo! im so watching the game
