The thing about Grigorenko vs. Gagner is it's not just "point totals". Sam gets an awful lot of "gravy" points IMO, either goals that are spoon-fed to him or secondary assists playing with better players.
Grigorenko is the type of offensive player that can make other players around him better. He has a much higher end shot so he is harder to stop from scoring when he gets in close (whereas with Gagner ... it's always an adventure).
And Gagner haters blame him for everything scoring a goal he gets blamed for not passing to Hopkins yup read it here Also I like Gagner and lately he has been playing the ***** but watching these posters usual suspects blaming him on that goal where whitney was asleep pathetic as it comes. And everyone im here can predict on any given gdt or pgt which posters are going to rag on him regardless same players all the time or as Bob M would say ass clowns.
I said that it was both Gagner and Whitney's fault. Gagner deserves some of the blame there, this shouldn't even be a debate. Gotta hit the net on the rush in an overtime situation otherwise an odd man situation going the other way is almost a certainty.
Elite talent is nice but I'm tired of banking on 18 year olds and 19 year olds to provide production and leadership. We're five, six years away from being competitive if we can't find some productive, effective veterans.
I'd rely on him to unlock our second line's scoring potential, so we are not such a one trick pony (easy to defend against).
We've seen some magic from Hall and Nugent-Hopkins as 18, 19 year olds but I'm not convinced that it's something that just comes naturally to talented hockey players at this level. What if he struggles to assimilate?
We've seen some magic from Hall and Nugent-Hopkins as 18, 19 year olds but I'm not convinced that it's something that just comes naturally to talented hockey players at this level. What if he struggles to assimilate?
We've seen some magic from Hall and Nugent-Hopkins as 18, 19 year olds but I'm not convinced that it's something that just comes naturally to talented hockey players at this level. What if he struggles to assimilate?
We've seen some magic from Hall and Nugent-Hopkins as 18, 19 year olds but I'm not convinced that it's something that just comes naturally to talented hockey players at this level. What if he struggles to assimilate?
Okay, so he plays with Hemsky. Who's on the LW?
I'd split up the kids a bit, we need to see if we can salvage MPS next year too and playing him with Belanger (lol) is not going to help that. He needs to play with players who are offensive minded and better than he is to bring his game up.
MPS RNH Eberle
Hall Grigorenko Hemsky
Essentially two 1st unit lines. Whoever the coach is (read: not Renney) can mix and match against the other teams checking line. It'll help take the heat off the kids so much, especially on the road.
I'd split up the kids a bit, we need to see if we can salvage MPS next year too and playing him with Belanger (lol) is not going to help that.
MPS RNH Eberle
Hall Grigorenko Hemsky
Essentially two 1st unit lines. Whoever the coach is (read: not Renney) can mix and match against the other teams checking line. It'll help take the heat off the kids so much, especially on the road.
Ugh, that is the softest top 6 in the league. I'm thinking that we might need to package Paajarvi in a deal for a legit physical top 6 winger. That lineup will take us nowhere near the playoffs IMO.
Ugh, that is the softest top 6 in the league. I'm thinking that we might need to package Paajarvi in a deal for a legit physical top 6 winger. That lineup will take us nowhere near the playoffs IMO.
Get RNH and Eberle to the BioSteel camp, send MPS and Lander the same program in Sweden.
It's not soft if the opposition is constantly getting scored on either.
Grigorenko is much harder to defend against at 6'3 than snowpants even if he's not going to throw a ton of hits.
Ugh, that is the softest top 6 in the league. I'm thinking that we might need to package Paajarvi in a deal for a legit physical top 6 winger. That lineup will take us nowhere near the playoffs IMO.
Yup, I'm thinking the same thing. At some point you have to use some of these assets to acquire established talent. Tambellini should be the subject of a special episode of A&E's Hoarders.
Get RNH and Eberle to the BioSteel camp, send MPS and Lander the same program in Sweden.
It's not soft if the opposition is constantly getting scored on either.
The opposition won't get scored on if they are physically manhandling these creampuffs. We desperately need some braun in the top 6, Paajarvi will always be a big softy IMO and he seems like the most likely to be used as trade bait to upgrade at some point outside of Gagner of course but that's a given with Gagner.
Ugh, that is the softest top 6 in the league. I'm thinking that we might need to package Paajarvi in a deal for a legit physical top 6 winger. That lineup will take us nowhere near the playoffs IMO.
It's nice to have physicality in your top 6 but I'm of the opinion that most teams don't have that luxury and instead try to load up the bottom 6.
Ugh, that is the softest top 6 in the league. I'm thinking that we might need to package Paajarvi in a deal for a legit physical top 6 winger. That lineup will take us nowhere near the playoffs IMO.
They don't need to be physical if they play the puck possession game. Redwings are a perfect example of that.
You obvious have never played Hockey at any pro level, Hockey 101 object of the game is to score obtained by shooting , sometimes shots go wide by trying to pick a corner, Blaming Gagner is just pathetic.Hockey 102 Dman on play should be aware where the opposing forward is . That was all Whitney 0 Gagner period sigh
The opposition won't get scored on if they are physically manhandling these creampuffs. We desperately need some braun in the top 6, Paajarvi will always be a big softy IMO and he seems like the most likely to be used as trade bait to upgrade at some point.
We would actually have to play him to raise his trade value because right now it's nothing.
Most offensive minded top six groups don't have some 6'4 monster in their top six either.
For us a lot of this is RNH/Eberle/Hall (unfortunately his shoulder injury is going to set him back) physically maturing naturally.
They already make NHL vets look stupid on a regular basis, adding Grigorenko into that mix makes them much, much more dangerous. Unless you are playing your checking line to death you can't line match with us any longer, you're just going to have to pray both lines are cold.
Eberle/Hall/RNH/Hemsky/even Grigorenko are not "soft" players either, they will go into any area of the ice to get the puck (the problem is they may be a little too willing to do that in some cases) and all of those cases would take a hit to make a play.
Also I like Gagner and lately he has been playing the ***** but watching these posters usual suspects blaming him on that goal where whitney was asleep pathetic as it comes. And everyone im here can predict on any given gdt or pgt which posters are going to rag on him regardless same players all the time or as Bob M would say ass clowns.
That was all on Whitney.
