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04-06-2012, 01:04 PM
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Stupid...but funny?

Nope. I don't see the humour in it at all. I don't want to be guilty of getting over dramatic here...so don't get me wrong...I don't want the guy barred for life. I would hope Clowe is embrassed about what he did and he won't do it again.

I can't quite get myself to laugh at this though.
The humor is just in the absurdity of it.

It's like watching goalies fight. At the time, in the moment, and especially if you're a fan of the team, it's serious business. But then you give it a few weeks, or wait until the next season is over and the emotion and meaning is gone and then you see the highlight of it again.......honestly, have you ever watched a goalie fight video and not had to at least stifle a small chuckle?

Or like the Tie Domi penalty box fan incident. Serious business at the time....particularly for that fan. But it's been 10 years now, and honestly, I can't watch that clip without laughing. Yes he handled it terribly, and no, the league should not tolerate physical altercations with fans.....but you can't tell me you don't even smirk when that clip is replayed.

Give it time. Like an older highlight of a player getting dumped into an opposing bench and being held down for few seconds, you'll eventually laugh at this, too.

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04-06-2012, 01:05 PM
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The Sharks lost Torrey Mitchell to a hit by Colin Fraser and Logan Couture to a five-minute boarding major by Kyle Clifford. Couture returned but Mitchell did not and coach Todd McLellan didn't have an update on him.
Ah I forgot..

Rule #29 : Bench-sticking

If a player of Team A gets hit into the boards from behind, resulting in a five-minute boarding major for Team B, One player from Team A is allowed to illegal play the puck with his stick from the bench before the end of regulation. The head coach of Team A must submit his choice of player to "Bench-Stick" to the linesman before play resumes, while his choice remains anonymous to Team B.

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Stupid play and another example of poor officiating, but no big deal. Pretty dumb on Clowe's part, that's for sure.

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04-06-2012, 01:06 PM
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Yes, things that happen on the ice. If Clowe is on the ice, throws his stick, and no penalty is called, that's a missed call. Clowe was out of the bounds of play. You can't be allowed to physically alter a live play in a clearly deliberate way while not within the confines of the playing surface.
like I stated earlier, just a few days ago nick schultz played a puck while he wasn't on the ice (from the penalty box), and got two for interference. where was your outrage then?

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Ah I forgot..

Rule #29 : Bench-sticking

If a player of Team A gets hit into the boards from behind, resulting in a five-minute boarding major for Team B, One player from Team A is allowed to illegal play the puck with his stick from the bench before the end of regulation. The head coach of Team A must submit his choice of player to "Bench-Stick" to the linesman before play resumes, while his choice remains anonymous to Team B.
I think he was referring to something that would actually warrant supplemental discipline, such as hitting a player on the blind side and injuring him, as opposed to poking a puck away from the bench.

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04-06-2012, 01:07 PM
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The play didn't change the game. Stoll did not lose control of the puck. If the penalty was called, it may have changed the game, but it wasn't. In the grand scheme of things, it was a missed minor penalty call, one of about a dozen in the game. Personally, I think the rule should be changed and **** like this should be a suspendable offense, but as it stands now, it wasn't at the time and even if the rule is changed, it won't apply to Clowe.

Bottom line: the Kings did not lose because Clowe changed the direction of the puck by three inches. They lost because they lost their composure in the third and Quick suddenly couldn't stop a beach ball, in addition to taking a costly idiotic penalty late in the second.
true points, but the refs calls / non-calls sure worked against the Kings.

It gets hard to ignore after a while.

(and for others: enough with the stupid clock-gate comparisons. The NHL operates the game clock, not the Kings. And nothing re clock-gate was done intentionally either)

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Ah I forgot..

Rule #29 : Bench-sticking

If a player of Team A gets hit into the boards from behind, resulting in a five-minute boarding major for Team B, One player from Team A is allowed to illegal play the puck with his stick from the bench before the end of regulation. The head coach of Team A must submit his choice of player to "Bench-Stick" to the linesman before play resumes, while his choice remains anonymous to Team B.
eh, now who's being ridiculous. The context of that comment was that lots of crazy unacceptable things were transpiring in an intense game. I asserted that the Clowe stick wasn't the most egregious happening. I never said anything justified anything else. Nor would I.

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The humor is just in the absurdity of it.

It's like watching goalies fight. At the time, in the moment, and especially if you're a fan of the team, it's serious business. But then you give it a few weeks, or wait until the next season is over and the emotion and meaning is gone and then you see the highlight of it again.......honestly, have you ever watched a goalie fight video and not had to at least stifle a small chuckle?

Or like the Tie Domi penalty box fan incident. Serious business at the time....particularly for that fan. But it's been 10 years now, and honestly, I can't watch that clip without laughing. Yes he handled it terribly, and no, the league should not tolerate physical altercations with fans.....but you can't tell me you don't even smirk when that clip is replayed.

Give it time. Like an older highlight of a player getting dumped into an opposing bench and being held down for few seconds, you'll eventually laugh at this, too.
Absurd. Yes. For sure.

But the fact we KNOW we will look back on this and laugh doesn't make it tolerable right now.

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Whether it's in the rulebook or not, what Clowe did is totally inexcusable and should be suspended for unsportsmanlike conduct.

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Ah I forgot..

Rule #29 : Bench-sticking

If a player of Team A gets hit into the boards from behind, resulting in a five-minute boarding major for Team B, One player from Team A is allowed to illegal play the puck with his stick from the bench before the end of regulation. The head coach of Team A must submit his choice of player to "Bench-Stick" to the linesman before play resumes, while his choice remains anonymous to Team B.
For a moment I believed that this might actually be a real rule......

but then I remembered there's no way the league would ever be that proactive or display that much foresight about anything.


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"The Clowe Rule"

Maybe Clowe can get his own rule resulting in a penalty like Sean Avery did

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Whether it's in the rulebook or not, what Clowe did is totally inexcusable and should be suspended for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Except that the CBA forbids supplemental discipline on these grounds... no one here likes it, there's just not much to see here...

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All Clowe did was tip the puck away from him on the bench during a 2 on 1, how does this warrant any sort of supplemental discipline?
It wasn't a 2 on 1, it was a 3 on 2 with Couture right on Stoll's back.

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he isn't allowed to. they missed the call. it should have been 2 minutes. the sky isn't falling.
It's not a missed call. Clowe wasn't an active player on the ice, yet knew exactly what he was doing when he attempted to physically alter a play. The penalty doesn't matter. The player doesn't matter. The teams involved don't matter. No player should be allowed to purposefully alter a play in a physical manner from the bench without facing consequences for such actions. A 2 minute penalty isn't enough. A 2 minute penalty is for players on the ice. Clowe was not on the ice.

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Except that the CBA forbids supplemental discipline on these grounds... no one here likes it, there's just not much to see here...

next?
The commissioner can issue supplemental discipline under special circumstances fyi.

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This really needs to be changed to be more than a minor penalty. There is such a thing as a smart minor penalty and if the league isn't going to treat this seriously then I guess this is another smart minor penalty that any team should use. Any team confident in their PK should really just start lobbing sticks on the ice to stop any 2 or 3 on 1s. A 3 on 1 or a penalty kill, hmmmmmmm tough choice.

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Already been ruled upon. lol

The only one who hasn't been called to task in this discussion is jim fox. He, in his homerific cheerleading likes to work his followers up into a frenzy, usually with quite a bias bent. He squeals like a diabetic school girl standing in a candy store:





Wasn't it just last week in a thread about Diving, where most kings fans came to their beloved captains defence ie: "If you're not cheating, you're not trying, He's just weak on his skates, If he gets away with it, why not?"...etc.

Most other team's fans complained that diving destroys "the integrety of the game". We were told to pipe down, and greeted with U Mad, and Troll Face posts. Funny how the shoe is on the other foot. The sweet kiss of karma is a gentle touch.

The NHL already has a rule, IN THE RULEBOOK describing what happened last night. No fines, No supplemental discipline, no suspensions.
2 minute minor.

Giving the kings the division? Giving them an extra point? Setting a new precedent...just because? My favorite was....I don't care if it's in the rulebook, they need to suspend him anyway. Wow....really?

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100% of teams would take a minor penalty over a breakaway chance. You really don't think that if Ovechkin is on a breakway that a player wouldn't chuck their stick to kill 2 min. instead? Some refs would call for a penalty shot, but we learned that the rules only call for a minor in that exact situation. That leaves a door for cheating way too open.
if it is a breakaway they award a penalty shot, not a 2 minute minor.

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Whether it's in the rulebook or not, what Clowe did is totally inexcusable and should be suspended for unsportsmanlike conduct.
For a 2 minute penalty? I wonder if it would have been inexcusable if a penalty was called. Probably not. It would have been forgotten by now.

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The Kings may have scored on a resulting Power Play just like the Sharks may have scored if the refs called a penalty for the hit on Mitchell. They equal out. Move on...

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like I stated earlier, just a few days ago nick schultz played a puck while he wasn't on the ice (from the penalty box), and got two for interference. where was your outrage then?
I can honestly say I didn't see the play.

It doesn't matter what player, what team, or what game it happens in. Consciously attempt to physically alter the play when not an active player within the bounds of play, and you should be suspended for 1 game. Clowe, Schultz, Lidstrom, any member of the Kings, whoever.

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I'd like to hear Torts opinion on this one...CLOWE HAS NO RESPECT FOR THE GAME!

Maybe Clowe would have got a fine if the refs/linesmen called a penalty, but I'm thinking the league would rather just sweep this under the rug to avoid further embarrassment for their guys blacking out (only explanation I can think of for 4 guys not watching the play at all) when it happened. Should definitely go on their records though and reduce their chances to work playoff games.

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Already been ruled upon. lol

The only one who hasn't been called to task in this discussion is jim fox. He, in his homerific cheerleading likes to work his followers up into a frenzy, usually with quite a bias bent. He squeals like a diabetic school girl standing in a candy store:





Wasn't it just last week in a thread about Diving, where most kings fans came to their beloved captains defence ie: "If you're not cheating, you're not trying, He's just weak on his skates, If he gets away with it, why not?"...etc.

Most other team's fans complained that diving destroys "the integrety of the game". We were told to pipe down, and greeted with U Mad, and Troll Face posts. Funny how the shoe is on the other foot. The sweet kiss of karma is a gentle touch.

The NHL already has a rule, IN THE RULEBOOK describing what happened last night. No fines, No supplemental discipline, no suspensions.
2 minute minor.

Giving the kings the division? Giving them an extra point? Setting a new precedent...just because? My favorite was....I don't care if it's in the rulebook, they need to suspend him anyway. Wow....really?
LMAO @ Jim Fox going ape.

And 12 year old face I mean Dustin Brown's acting, flopping and diving is ridiculous. Anyone got a video or GIF of Winnik's knockout blow on him after Brown was gonna try and headhunt Winnik? I bet you if they hadn't taken such a stance on headshots lately Clown I mean Brown would done a full on super man John Cena shoulder block dive at Winnik's head. Good thing he saw the tool coming too. Winnik gives him a tap like "Hey that's bs" and Brown acts like he's been killed. PP and Results in a Kings goal.

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Brown head hunting? Gtfo. It was a great hit and Winnik is the only punk in that scenario.

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