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04-29-2012, 11:51 AM
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Kulemin - Datsyuk - Malkin
Zaripov Tereschenko Zherdev
Tarasenko Burmistrov Kuznetsov
Shirokov - Shipachyov Perezhogin
those are probably the best lines i've seen

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those are probably the best lines i've seen
hopefully they are wrong, no reasons to waste Malkin's talent on the wing.

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hopefully they are wrong, no reasons to waste Malkin's talent on the wing.
i wouldn't say "waste" he was effective on the wing in Pittsburgh

Datsyuk will have that #1 C role locked down (although imho i think Malkin should ... seniority i guess)

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04-29-2012, 12:25 PM
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i wouldn't say "waste" he was effective on the wing in Pittsburgh
a phenomenal talent like Malkin obviously remain dangerous on the wing, and so was in Pittsburgh when (mis)used in that role, but was never able to bring his A game playing out of position.

Besides, using the best C in the world (at least this year he certainly was) in a different position is retarded per se.

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04-29-2012, 01:19 PM
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a phenomenal talent like Malkin obviously remain dangerous on the wing, and so was in Pittsburgh when (mis)used in that role, but was never able to bring his A game playing out of position.

Besides, using the best C in the world (at least this year he certainly was) in a different position is retarded per se.
yea i agree, but i would think that Dats has the #1 C spot locked up due to seniority

i'd rather have Malkin on the top Wing than to give him 2nd line minutes as a C

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04-29-2012, 01:49 PM
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This is how my team would look like after EHT games. (I want Anisin on the team too but apparently coach don't like him)

Zherdev-Datsyuk-Kuznetsov
Kulemin-Malkin-Tarasenko
Zaripov-Tereschenko-Perezhogin
Shirokov-Shipachyov-Ketov
Burmistrov

Nikulin-korneev
Kulikov-Kalinin
Emelin-Denisov
Nikitin-Medvedev

Varlamov
Barulin

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04-29-2012, 03:46 PM
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If Caps get eliminated, can Ovie and Semin still join the team?

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04-29-2012, 04:58 PM
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Must seem strange with no Kovalchuk this year.

Must be nice to have Datsyuk for a chance. Usually the Red Wings don't go out this early.

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04-30-2012, 06:31 AM
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If Caps get eliminated, can Ovie and Semin still join the team?
That's the plan. The coach is leaving atleast 3 spots open for NHL players from the 2nd round.

Just a personal preference, I would rather take healthy Kovy over Datsyuk. Not because I think one is better than the other, but Kovy and his game breaking mentality can be a bit more clutch in Big games.

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04-30-2012, 06:35 AM
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I don't want Ovechkin anywhere near this team.

Kulikov would have been a nice addition.

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I don't want Ovechkin anywhere near this team.

Kulikov would have been a nice addition.
How can you not want one of the best hockey player in the world?


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I don't want Ovechkin anywhere near this team.

Kulikov would have been a nice addition.
Ovie, Ovie......comesy, comesy, comesy...........PSHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Mieaouuuuuwwwww, ssssscccchhhhhhhhh!


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How can you not want one of the best hockey player in the world?
It probably has something to do with last year and how he was completely useless. I was very disappointed.

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How can you not want one of the best hockey player in the world?
From the games I've seen him play in WCs all he does is float around and loose the puck.

Couple years ago he was playing with Semin and Datsyuk on the same line. All Ovie and Semin did was keep the puck with each other when they one of the best playmakers between them.

I love to watch russias games because of Datsyuk, but I'd hate Pashas effort go to waste with Ovie on his line.

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Its because he's been garbage for the NT since the olympics.

And I really don't see him buying into Bilyaletdinov's coaching style.

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04-30-2012, 08:13 AM
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That's the plan. The coach is leaving atleast 3 spots open for NHL players from the 2nd round.

Just a personal preference, I would rather take healthy Kovy over Datsyuk. Not because I think one is better than the other, but Kovy and his game breaking mentality can be a bit more clutch in Big games.
i'd rather have Datsyuk than Kovalchuk; not only the better player, he also raises his game when it matters most, unlike Kovalchuk.
I don't think a GWG in the WCH makes Kovalchuk clutch.

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04-30-2012, 08:26 AM
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Its because he's been garbage for the NT since the olympics.

And I really don't see him buying into Bilyaletdinov's coaching style.
well, that might not be a bad thing considering Bilya's coaching style seems to be "let's score as little as possible"

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04-30-2012, 10:13 AM
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i'd rather have Datsyuk than Kovalchuk; not only the better player, he also raises his game when it matters most, unlike Kovalchuk.
I don't think a GWG in the WCH makes Kovalchuk clutch.
Aside from the 2008 WC, he was THE leader on the 2009 winners, and last year scored the winning goal against Canada. Kovy has more edge than Datsyuk during big games. That's pretty clutch to me.

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04-30-2012, 10:35 AM
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Aside from the 2008 WC, he was THE leader on the 2009 winners, and last year scored the winning goal against Canada. Kovy has more edge than Datsyuk during big games. That's pretty clutch to me.
Kovalchuk certainly seems to show up for Team Russia. He always seems to be one of the better players for them and scores his fair share of goals for the team.

Nice to see Sergei Shirokov on the team. The Canucks could have used him this year; I was incredibly disappointed that the team let him go, so perhaps he'll show various NHL scouts that he can be a valuable asset if he does ever return (perhaps in 2014).

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04-30-2012, 12:51 PM
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Will Vadim Shipachyov be playing?

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04-30-2012, 03:42 PM
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Its because he's been garbage for the NT since the olympics.

And I really don't see him buying into Bilyaletdinov's coaching style.
I believe North American hockey has ruined Ovechkin. He was so great in his last season with Moscow Dynamo and in his first two seasons with the Caps, but now he is pure garbage.

Ovechkin has himself to blame though. Malkin and Datsyuk were not ruined by North American hockey. Ovechkin is out of shape and his skill level has gone down dramatically since his rookie season with the Caps. Back then he could beat people one on one, now every NHL defenseman can stop him with ease.

He is a different player now, and quite average in my opinion.

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04-30-2012, 03:43 PM
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i'd rather have Datsyuk than Kovalchuk; not only the better player, he also raises his game when it matters most, unlike Kovalchuk.
I don't think a GWG in the WCH makes Kovalchuk clutch.
Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Malkin would be an insane line.

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04-30-2012, 03:49 PM
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Its because he's been garbage for the NT since the olympics.

And I really don't see him buying into Bilyaletdinov's coaching style.
That's an interesting point. His game, both in international play and the NHL, definitely and markedly deteriorated after the Olympics. He seems to have lost so much confidence, and he can't seem to control the puck on his stick anymore. Maybe because he had so much pressure on him to kind of personally win a Gold Medal, and the whole team effort went so badly!

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04-30-2012, 04:41 PM
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a phenomenal talent like Malkin obviously remain dangerous on the wing, and so was in Pittsburgh when (mis)used in that role, but was never able to bring his A game playing out of position.

Besides, using the best C in the world (at least this year he certainly was) in a different position is retarded per se.
Malkin played his best (on WCH) when he was playing on Datsyuk`s wing with Kovalchuk on the opposite side. It`s not "retarded" one bit.

Malkin`s defense is questionable (debatable) even on a NA rink. Datsyuk`s? That`s not even a question.

It`s like saying that using Iniesta on wing was retarded since he`s an excellent midfielder... because, well, just because.

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I believe North American hockey has ruined Ovechkin. He was so great in his last season with Moscow Dynamo and in his first two seasons with the Caps, but now he is pure garbage.

Ovechkin has himself to blame though. Malkin and Datsyuk were not ruined by North American hockey. Ovechkin is out of shape and his skill level has gone down dramatically since his rookie season with the Caps. Back then he could beat people one on one, now every NHL defenseman can stop him with ease.

He is a different player now, and quite average in my opinion.
North American hockey has ruined Ovie, but he has himself to blame. So which is it?

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