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Chipman: Jets will not receive revenue-sharing this season
Was the furthest thing from my mind, I can't see how anyone could have figured that an option, taking into account the fact that once season ticket holders were locked in to three to five year contracts.
After that period, all bets are off.
I can only speak for my two ticketing groups consisting of 8 guys per group but:
P2- 4 tickets- $20 636
P3- 4 tickets- $17 415
We have begun writing our tickets in our wills. I have not spoke to a single person who will not renew when the contract is up. Maybe things will change but I'm thinking not.
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Also today, Chipman said he couldn’t offer a lot of hope to those on the club’s season-ticket waiting list for next season. Based on how many season-ticket holders bought possible playoff tickets, Chipman said he thought there would only be a small number of lucky hopefuls who move from the waiting list into season tickets for 2012-13.
Interesting thing is that Chipman is using the Preds as his model for the franchise.
True, but I wouldn't worry about it. There's a time-lag between reality and perception, it wasn't too long ago when Nashville was saddled with the Boots fiasco and the Balsille trauma, so for people who don't follow the team, it might be years between those things and updates on Nashville's situation. For example, Nashville's been a favorite of mine for a few years, and the team's been slowly improving its off-ice situation, but IMO took a huge leap forward under the leadership of Cigarran. But it wasn't until the playoff run against Vancouver that a lot of people up here sat up and took note, now a lot of people around Vancouver talk about how Nashville's turned the corner.
Winnipeg was the beneficiary of a lot of media focus, which to their credit, they lived up to or even exceeded the hype.
I can only speak for my two ticketing groups consisting of 8 guys per group but:
P2- 4 tickets- $20 636
P3- 4 tickets- $17 415
We have begun writing our tickets in our wills. I have not spoke to a single person who will not renew when the contract is up. Maybe things will change but I'm thinking not.
Well, that's only true if they can get guaranteed sell outs.
If they don't build a successful team (note: I'm not saying they won't, this is a hypothetical situation), then I doubt that both "guaranteed sell outs" and "4th highest ticket prices in the League" will last. One will have to give.
It' all about supply and demand. with little supply and lots of demand it will remain constant for the foreseeable future.
There are still 8000 on the waiting list for those who give up their seats plus staggered ticket contracts varying from 3-5 years.
this franchise is successful - end of story.
Good job Manitoba, Canada, USA, finland and everyone else that attended Jets games this year and supported the Jets success.
This franchise hasn't even begun to tap the full potential of its alternate revenue streams.
Well, that's only true if they can get guaranteed sell outs.
If they don't build a successful team (note: I'm not saying they won't, this is a hypothetical situation), then I doubt that both "guaranteed sell outs" and "4th highest ticket prices in the League" will last. One will have to give.
Yeah, it would suck if they won a stanley cup 1 year, then had only 13000 fans show up the next year cause they weren't a playoff team.....
It' all about supply and demand. with little supply and lots of demand it will remain constant for the foreseeable future.
There are still 8000 on the waiting list for those who give up their seats plus staggered ticket contracts varying from 3-5 years.
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Originally Posted by blues10
this franchise is successful - end of story.
Good job Manitoba, Canada, USA, finland and everyone else that attended Jets games this year and supported the Jets success.
This franchise hasn't even begun to tap the full potential of its alternate revenue streams.
Go Jets Go
I'm not so sure. I would rather wait and see if the Jets can survive a lean period where the forces of supply and demand are not nearly as helpful to their cause.
Plus, "alternative revenue streams"? I don't think it is going to get much better than this, unless they can add 2000+ seats to MTS Center.
How are they modeling the Jets after the Predators?
I'm guessing they want to use what limited resources they have on prospect development and scouting instead of Free Agents, as well as having a GM and Coach who actively work together (rather than a GM dictating what the coach has to work with).
I'm not so sure. I would rather wait and see if the Jets can survive a lean period where the forces of supply and demand are not nearly as helpful to their cause.
Plus, "alternative revenue streams"? I don't think it is going to get much better than this, unless they can add 2000+ seats to MTS Center.
Let's revisit when some of the alternate streams are on board for next season and we'll see how everything is working out.
As for STH renewals we can start looking at that in just two more seasons.
How are they modeling the Jets after the Predators?
It refers mainly to the hockey management side of things; be patient, draft well, build around young core players while running a mid-cap spending plan, and then increase spending somewhat when the younger assets mature into a more competitive team.
I'm not so sure. I would rather wait and see if the Jets can survive a lean period where the forces of supply and demand are not nearly as helpful to their cause.
Plus, "alternative revenue streams"? I don't think it is going to get much better than this, unless they can add 2000+ seats to MTS Center.
They won't add to the MTS Centre. Thats one of the reasons they can charge so much since there aren't cheap upper deck seats.
I can only speak for my two ticketing groups consisting of 8 guys per group but:
P2- 4 tickets- $20 636
P3- 4 tickets- $17 415
We have begun writing our tickets in our wills. I have not spoke to a single person who will not renew when the contract is up. Maybe things will change but I'm thinking not.
Hey, that's great and I applaud your support of the team.
People in Winnipeg know how high the demand is for season tickets. Those of us that were lucky enough to snag them all know many others who are green with envy and ready to pounce if anyone gives up a ST. To reiterate, there were 250,000 web hits within minutes trying pick up that last remaining 6000 season tickets, and a paid waiting list of 8000 was generated within the first hour or two before the team cut off the waiting list.
It is hard to imagine that the fan interest and financial performance of the Winnipeg franchise will fall to the level of the lower-performing teams any time soon. People in Winnipeg understand the economic and fan dynamics here. That includes the owners, Chipman and Thomson.
Why did this thread have to turn into a Winnipeg VS southern hockey market discussion.
TNSE came up with a ticket price structure and management system that works for Winnipeg to do okay in a small market. I am ecstatic that they have been able to do this.
Nashville have shown that a smaller market southern team can work. They don't need to defend themselves.
We all get to watch thirty different NHL teams playing from a wide variety of NA markets and all teams have a chance to be competitive. That is why revenue sharing is good for the fans. I hate all the "welfare" BS because a few teams are fortunate enough to live in massive markets.
Chipman said it himself!!!! "We are modleling ourselves like Nashville"
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Chipman says they didn't just look at Nashville when it comes to how to survive financially with a small-market team.
"That may sound strange to people in Winnipeg, that Nashville's a team we've looked so carefully at."
But he says on the ice, Nashville consistently makes the playoffs and gives the NHL's best a run for their money. The Predators have missed then playoffs only once since the 2003-2004 season.
"They've done it methodically, they've done it by developing their players and they've done it with a consistency in management and philosophy ... I think but for a couple of bounces that team could have a Stanley Cup banner hanging under their rafters."
I don't see anyone calling the owners or fans lairs. Asking questions and putting forth an opinion you don't like isn't being a liar.
You know what would stop all this silly childish crap? If Gary would just release accurate figures on who is paying revenue sharing and how much and who is receiving it and how much.
Not going to call out the posters but they hinted at it being a huge lie and did not answer my question as to why the Owners would lie about them making a profit
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Originally Posted by 2525
I find it interesting that he made a big deal and even provided figures about the Canadian assistance plan.
Those 4 Canadian teams that received money were more than grateful for it and publicly thanked Gary and the NHL.
Of course Ted Leonis, owner of the Caps and an American publicly announced he was paying welfare to Canadian teams. (he didn't tell anyone what his share of CBC/TSN money was, nor has he thanked anyone for receiving revenue sharing)
That was 10+ years ago and it was a targeted Revenue Sharing plan where only certain teams were helped and other equally struggling team were ignored. Leonis made one comment on it 10 frigging years ago!!!
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Originally Posted by 2525
You get so frigging bent out of shape because you perceive the Canadian media and the Canadian public are against you.
Weren't you the one that said the Raptors received revenue sharing from the NBA, but when it was pointed out to you that they didn't and in fact paid into it, you disappeared?
The majority of Canadians are NOT against you or southern markets or against helping teams financially.
Many just ask themselves if so called non-traditional areas have teams and require financial help, why not a team in QC or Hamilton or a second team in Toronto...or as I believe would work, all three.
It may only be a perception but it's an awful strong one appx 85% don't want teams in the sunbelt. The media distorts stories about team and fans jump all over them with negative attitudes. "Bettman changed the rules to let Radulov in the league only because it's Nashville" as a recent example, read the comments section on The Globe and Mail website on the next Nashville story
I admitted that I was wrong and that The Raptors now pay into the NBA RS system FYI That is much more than some fans will admit being wrong about the Preds making a profit So which teams get the Axe to add 3 more into Canada?? I don't want any fans to lose their teams whether it be Winnipeg or Atlanta.
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Originally Posted by 2525
BTW Jim Balsillie did what he did not because he was Canadian but because he is a businessman (the likes we have seen on both sides of the border)
Isn't Dallas now owned by a Canadian and a small part of your team owned by a Canadian?
Then why did he wrap himself up in the flag and have the makeit7 website? Why proclaim that Bettman hates Canada as a reason for him not being given a team. Patriotism is the last resort of a Scoundrel. Yes Brett Wilson is part owner of the team and had to correct Jeff Blair on his own show about the Nashville market and fans
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Why did this thread have to turn into a Winnipeg VS southern hockey market discussion.
TNSE came up with a ticket price structure and management system that works for Winnipeg to do okay in a small market. I am ecstatic that they have been able to do this.
Nashville have shown that a smaller market southern team can work. They don't need to defend themselves.
We all get to watch thirty different NHL teams playing from a wide variety of NA markets and all teams have a chance to be competitive. That is why revenue sharing is good for the fans. I hate all the "welfare" BS because a few teams are fortunate enough to live in massive markets.
Great Post
Having a small building is what works in Winnipeg. Chipman has said himself he would not want a bigger arena in Winnipeg long term as it would dilute the ticket prices. He is a very smart business man and knows without creating ticket demand with a smaller building it would hurt the team in the long term....It may not be a good model for many other markets but low supply = high demand works for us here in the Peg.
P.S. Quebec City would also knock it out of the park IMHO
A nice positive news story that certainly vindicates the cool dudes and dudettes that always supported the notion of the NHL returning to (and being a success in) Winnipeg, over the years on these boards.
