With our first overall pick, we take malcolm subban. I think i would cry
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Originally Posted by Freaky Habs Fan
In 2005,our needs were anything but goaltenders. We had Theodore and Garon along with Halak. Things changed fast after that and now, we are very happy to have a star in Carey.
Right now, our needs at the draft seems to be anything but defensemen... But in three years, some prospects could bust and we'd be very happy to have Murray or Dumba.
I know we'll take the BPA! Good thing its not gonna be a goaltender though!
I can only dream of our habs winning the lottery, drafting yakupov and have him perform as expected of a number 1 selection. Oh my, what a sweet dream it is.
Its been way too long since we've had a true talented star!
The thing that worries me is if we don't draft Grigorenko and maybe the isles won't draft him, he will fall to the leafs. Grigorenko has the potential to be a bust or a legit number one center and I would hate to see the leafs pick him.
The thing that worries me is if we don't draft Grigorenko and maybe the isles won't draft him, he will fall to the leafs. Grigorenko has the potential to be a bust or a legit number one center and I would hate to see the leafs pick him.
Oilers fans seem to want Grigorenko. He's not a clear cut consensus, but a lot of people there want him.
If both he & Murray somehow fell to 4, Isles would have a very hard decision to make. They need defense, and they just might be at the point in their prospect rebuild where they should draft need over BPA (if it's close). But how can they pass up a talent like Grigorenko. Plus adding a russian to the mix would probably help to convince Kirill Petrov to come over this season.
If I am picking #1 I trade down. Yakupov is good, but wingers dont win you championships, centers do. Also, I have doubts about his all out style in the NHL. I just dont see his body staying fresh for his entire career. I would rather have one of Grigorenko or Galchenyuk. Hell, I would even prefer Murray, Trouba or Dumba.
Dont get me wrong, I believe he IS the BPA in terms of skill and competitiveness. But I just think the habs have bigger needs and he wont prove to be the most durable selection ever. Not to mention the additional assets we would get by trading down.
Last edited by Rise from the Ashes: 04-08-2012 at 06:08 PM.
Still, a team wins a championship, not an individual position. Yakupov makes whatever team he lands on a better one than the others rated behind him do. Hence, BPA.
Still, a team wins a championship, not an individual position. Yakupov makes whatever team he lands on a better one than the others rated behind him do. Hence, BPA.
My point is that centers make the whole team better overall. Wingers are important, but not as integral. Perhaps you can draft Yakupov and then acquire a center in another way. I still think I would rather Galchenyuk over Yakupov.
Picking Grigorenko over Yakupov because he's a center is basically insanity.
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Originally Posted by Rise from the Ashes
My point is that centers make the whole team better overall. Wingers are important, but not as integral. Perhaps you can draft Yakupov and then acquire a center in another way. I still think I would rather Galchenyuk over Yakupov.
Marty St. Louis never made his center better? Getzlaf's numbers have nothing to do with Corey Perry? Scott Gomez was the reason his line was so successful in 05-06?
Picking Grigorenko over Yakupov because he's a center is basically insanity.
Marty St. Louis never made his center better? Getzlaf's numbers have nothing to do with Corey Perry? Scott Gomez was the reason his line was so successful in 05-06?
Obviously there are exceptions to the rule. But overall, centermen are more valuable. Also, the assets we could acquire in trading #1 overall are not to be overlooked.
So I was reading Steve Simmons Sunday's column (Toronto Sun), and he had an item in there about one (unnamed) scout's opinion of Grigorenko: a cross between Viktor Kozlov & Chad Kilger.
I'm more interested in Timmins opinion but I really wonder how much quality there is among the forwards if Grigorenko is considered the 2nd best prospect, and that's his comparison.
A little worried now that this is a crummy year to tank it. Wished we had done this last year. We could've gotten Huberdeau or Landeskog.
I'm liking Forsberg more and more just because no one seems to know him. I hope he kills it at the Under-18, but not so much that the Oilers pick him.
So I was reading Steve Simmons Sunday's column (Toronto Sun), and he had an item in there about one (unnamed) scout's opinion of Grigorenko: a cross between Viktor Kozlov & Chad Kilger.
I'm more interested in Timmins opinion but I really wonder how much quality there is among the forwards if Grigorenko is considered the 2nd best prospect, and that's his comparison.
A little worried now that this is a crummy year to tank it. Wished we had done this last year. We could've gotten Huberdeau or Landeskog.
I'm liking Forsberg more and more just because no one seems to know him. I hope he kills it at the Under-18, but not so much that the Oilers pick him.
You have as many opinions as scouts. Some CSS scout was saying this week he'd pick Grigorenko over Yakupov. That he'd become a much better NHL player... Some swedish posters are saying Forsberg is better than Landeskog. It's a free for all...
You have as many opinions as scouts. Some CSS scout was saying this week he'd pick Grigorenko over Yakupov. That he'd become a much better NHL player... Some swedish posters are saying Forsberg is better than Landeskog. It's a free for all...
I don't think it's insane to think that Forsberg has more high end potential than Landeskog. I love both of them but Landeskog is more physically developed at this point, if Forsberg can bulk up more, with the ability he already has, we are talking about a complete forward.
Not sure if he has the same levels of intangibles, but you hear nothing but good thing about Forsberg's attitude. No clue what his leadership is like though, considering he's a kid on an adult team.
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Originally Posted by Rise from the Ashes
Obviously there are exceptions to the rule. But overall, centermen are more valuable. Also, the assets we could acquire in trading #1 overall are not to be overlooked.
Well I think it's more that the most talented forwards are expected to play center than anything else. That doesn't mean that if a guy plays wing for whatever reason it should be held against him.
The fact that the most talented winger in the recent memory, Ovechkin, has been unable/unwilling to evolve his game doesn't mean a comparable talent will have the same fate. Yakupov isn't quite the natural phenom that Ovie is, but for all we know he could prove to be more adaptable. Besides that, you can't ignore the effect Ovechkin had on the Capitals, even if he failed to take it to the next level. One player is not going to do everything no matter what position they play.
I'm not against shipping the pick, but it would take a lot to give up Yakupov.
I think Forsberg's obviously more offensively talented than Landeskog. That being said, Landeskog was jacked as an 18 year old and had the competitive/mean streak to go with it. He was way more physically developed than Forsberg is now. So, while I think Forsberg is more offensively gifted, I don't believe that he'll be putting up 50 points next year, in a habs uniform or not.
