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04-07-2012, 10:24 AM
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Then by all means. If the only thing separating two equal candidates is language, go for it. But I'd suggest the best candidates don't speak French, i.e. Jim Nill.
Once again... Does he want the job ?

How come this "gem" is still working with the Wings since 1994 ?


After that huge PR mistake of hiring a unilingual head coach, which unilingual potential GM would like to work for the Habs ?


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Don't you guys think the new GM is almost forced to choose Roy as his head coach at this point?

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Don't you guys think the new GM is almost forced to choose Roy as his head coach at this point?
Especially IF Roy is also GM...

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Especially IF Roy is also GM...
Won't happen.

There's no way the Habs hire someone who will take on the 2 jobs.
When's the last time you've seen a Coach/GM? Exactly. There's a reason for that. Way too demanding.

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Won't happen.

There's no way the Habs hire someone who will take on the 2 jobs.
When's the last time you've seen a Coach/GM? Exactly. There's a reason for that. Way too demanding.
Surrounf him with the proper assistants and he can do both jobs.

I am sure Roy wants to have the last word in the players utilization and trading.

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Especially IF Roy is also GM...
Now that's a scary thought.

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Don't you guys think the new GM is almost forced to choose Roy as his head coach at this point?
I think Roy will be the next coach and I think as part of hiring the GM, in some round about way it will be part of the interview.

Not saying it's right or even acceptable, I just think it's a given that Roy is going to be the guy.

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[*]Most GM's don't know the details of the cap. Every NHL team has specialists taking care of that aspect as it's too complex.
...as we can tell every free agent season! Doesn't mean it's not important.

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Once again... Does he want the job ?

How come this "gem" is still working with the Wings since 1994 ?


After that huge PR mistake of hiring a unilingual head coach, which unilingual potential GM would like to work for the Habs ?
Nill is one example. We have no idea who's interested and who isn't. What we do know is using language to narrow the field from the beginning will have a negative impact on our selection - we may not reach out to people who may have been interested had they known they'd be considered. With our supposed approach, we'll never know. Seems like the Gauthier approach.

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Then by all means. If the only thing separating two equal candidates is language, go for it. But I'd suggest the best candidates don't speak French, i.e. Jim Nill.
I know that some people here have a hard on for Nill but I'm not sure that he's more qualified than some of the bilingual candidates mentioned here. Is he a good candidate? I'd say so. A better candidate than BriseBois, Lacroix, Brisson, Bergevin, Loiselle and company? It's definitely debatable.

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...as we can tell every free agent season! Doesn't mean it's not important.
Didn't say that having someone in the organization qualified to deal with the cap issues wasn't important. I did say that on most teams, it's not the GM's job but rather an assistant expert on the matter.

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Surrounf him with the proper assistants and he can do both jobs.

I am sure Roy wants to have the last word in the players utilization and trading.
I want season tickets for free. That doesn't mean there's any logical reason for me to get them outside of my dreams.

Does Roy have any business management experience beyond the Q?

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04-07-2012, 01:08 PM
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Molson preaches stability. One of the ways you'd provide that is by naming Roy in full control of the organization. Not saying it couldn't go south, just saying that for a stability point of view, Roy will do whatever is necessary to make that thing work. He'll surround himself with guys he trust. I fail to see how anybody is fired in 2 or 3 years.....unless nothing works out and Molson makes a move yet again. But at least, you save that possibility of a GM wanted to save his ass by firing the coach, like Gauthier did with Martin.

I wouldn't be against giving Roy the full control of the team. But only under one condition. You might want full control, but you have to surround yourself. With whoever you like. But you are not going to be totally all alone in this. That would be my condition.

Now, with full control, there's plenty of things Roy can do. For starters, by hiring 2 francos assistants like guys like Groulx and Tourigny, you can totally give yourself the right do NOT have press conferences every day. Let have Groulx and Tourigny do it from time to time. Then, you do hire a great pro scout like André Savard who will make most of the pro scouting you won't have to 'cause you are coaching. Then, you take of those numbers with a "number" guy maybe like Damphousse. I mean, Damphousse is out of the running for GM.....but who knows if he's out for the running for other stuff.

Honestly, this can work. I have full confidence that the winner that is Roy will make this a succesful team. Maybe won't happen overnight, I mean some were ready to give Gauthier-Gainey a litle more time while they already had 9 years....so we might give Roy 2 or 3 years? He does have to work with the team that isn't his.And you have to think that he will have some breathing room, because he is Patrick Roy. Franco or not, the majority of people here go with the name. Reason why Roy is so on top of every one in surveys including Brisebois. So if it's Brisebois, franco or not, he won't have a much breathing room than Roy.


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Can someone please explain to me what Patrick Roy has done to deserve both the GM and HC positions of the ****ing MONTREAL CANADIENS???!!!

I understand him being in contention for coach. Maybe GM too. But to sincerely believe he can be successful at both? Why?

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Can someone please explain to me what Patrick Roy has done to deserve both the GM and HC positions of the ****ing MONTREAL CANADIENS???!!!

I understand him being in contention for coach. Maybe GM too. But to sincerely believe he can be successful at both? Why?
Don't worry that won't happen, I doubt he gets any job at all! He'll just quit on the team a 2nd time when the Nordiques come back.

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Ok the days of someone being a coach and GM in the NHL are over.. It involves too much work. Roy as coach OR GM maybe but not both. I don't care if he did so in the CHL. There's a lot more involved at the NHL level.

I'll eat crow if the Habs hire him as both..

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Coach and ass-GM is probably what he's after.

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Can someone please explain to me what Patrick Roy has done to deserve both the GM and HC positions of the ****ing MONTREAL CANADIENS???!!!

I understand him being in contention for coach. Maybe GM too. But to sincerely believe he can be successful at both? Why?
See.....who are the candidates? What does ANY of our candidates had done to deserve to be associated with us anyway? It's not a question of deserving. It's a question of who can do a better job. And while Roy might have both jobs, he is not going to be alone. I want the best scenario to succeed. Not entirely sure having a combination of Brisebois-Hartley or anybody Hartley, or Groulx or whoever will end up doing a better job.

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See the thing is, if you hire Roy as head coach, then you're already conceding some of the player management duties to him, which means you need to hire a GM who will allow Roy to provide a lot opinion on their signings/trades. I don't want them to just hire some spineless GM though, I want a guy to take control and build this team with their plan. I'm not sure what the egos are like with any of the candidates, I just hope no problems arise within the organization.

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See the thing is, if you hire Roy as head coach, then you're already conceding some of the player management duties to him, which means you need to hire a GM who will allow Roy to provide a lot opinion on their signings/trades. I don't want them to just hire some spineless GM though, I want a guy to take control and build this team with their plan. I'm not sure what the egos are like with any of the candidates, I just hope no problems arise within the organization.
Me too. If Roy is head coach, you need someone as strong than him up there. Or someone who got competences that Roy doesn't have.

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Nill is one example. We have no idea who's interested and who isn't. What we do know is using language to narrow the field from the beginning will have a negative impact on our selection - we may not reach out to people who may have been interested had they known they'd be considered. With our supposed approach, we'll never know. Seems like the Gauthier approach.
If you don't know who's interested then you shouldn't assume Nill is, or Fenton, or Maloney, or whoever.
Molson said that although french is an important factor the priority #1 is to get the best man available. To me, that doesn't sound like they will absolutely limit themselves to french guys.
And if ever they do decide to go with an english one, then they will have learned from the RC situation and will have their PR guys make sure they do it right.

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See.....who are the candidates? What does ANY of our candidates had done to deserve to be associated with us anyway? It's not a question of deserving. It's a question of who can do a better job. And while Roy might have both jobs, he is not going to be alone. I want the best scenario to succeed. Not entirely sure having a combination of Brisebois-Hartley or anybody Hartley, or Groulx or whoever will end up doing a better job.
I don't think having Roy do both jobs is a good thing, or smart. If the guy is gonna be too busy with coaching to fully commit to a GM position, and instead, have a bunch of people cover for him, then might as well just hire an actual GM.

Makes absolutely no sense to me to hire someone that will hold both positions.

I don't want Brisebois, Hartley or Groulx here, and ya, maybe they wouldn't do a better job. But Bergevin-Robinson? I'm sure they would. And Roy isn't just attracting attention from Mtl because he's from here, the guy is a great junior coach, I'm sure there's plenty of teams that are interested. So, whoever the new GM is, could very well be interested in him as well.
And during the interview process, I'm sure Molson/Savard will ask them which coach or type of coach they'd like to bring in. It has to be raised as a question.

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Can someone please explain to me what Patrick Roy has done to deserve both the GM and HC positions of the ****ing MONTREAL CANADIENS???!!!

I understand him being in contention for coach. Maybe GM too. But to sincerely believe he can be successful at both? Why?

Amen brother! It's so infuriating to constantly hear Roys name come up as some idealism messiah who will come in and be the rock to which to anchor our organization to. I think some people forgot that he in his incredible stabity and humility decided to abandon the Habs. If there's one thing that's the complete opposite of Roy, it's the word stable.

He has done 2/5th of **** all to show he can do anything at an NHL level unlike so many other candidates who at least have NHL experience with winning franchises. Nill, Benning, Bergevin, Fenton, I'm looking at you.

The only good news is that Roy will never be named GM, much GM AND coach. I have money on the table for anyone willing to place a wager.

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IF Phoenix moves to Quebec before we've made our choices
AND Quebec decides to let go of both coach/gm and hire their own staff

I'd seriously consider either Tippet for HC, or Maloney for GM...

both would be a consideration as well, but given the language issue, probably not feasible.

both have done a lot with a little, both have the experience that people covet, and if they came into town and had success, it would be a great first blow in the renewed noriques-habs rivalry

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I don't think having Roy do both jobs is a good thing, or smart. If the guy is gonna be too busy with coaching to fully commit to a GM position, and instead, have a bunch of people cover for him, then might as well just hire an actual GM.

Makes absolutely no sense to me to hire someone that will hold both positions.

I don't want Brisebois, Hartley or Groulx here, and ya, maybe they wouldn't do a better job. But Bergevin-Robinson? I'm sure they would. And Roy isn't just attracting attention from Mtl because he's from here, the guy is a great junior coach, I'm sure there's plenty of teams that are interested. So, whoever the new GM is, could very well be interested in him as well.
And during the interview process, I'm sure Molson/Savard will ask them which coach or type of coach they'd like to bring in. It has to be raised as a question.
The idea of being a GM for Roy surely means that he wants the final say on any moves that are being made. Yes, chances are his GM will talk to him about what he thinks and all, in the end though, it's possible that GM use his veto to do whatever which is probaby what Roy don't want, hence being a GM as well where he'll have the final say. So that's why having some guys around might actually do some of the job he doesn't care that much which is the screening and all. Yet in the end, if it's just a question of final say...I don't see what is the problem.

As far as Robinson goes....I don't see the guy as a natural born head coach. An awesome and a MUST for defencemen but head coach? Don't see it.

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IF Phoenix moves to Quebec before we've made our choices
AND Quebec decides to let go of both coach/gm and hire their own staff

I'd seriously consider either Tippet for HC, or Maloney for GM...

both would be a consideration as well, but given the language issue, probably not feasible.

both have done a lot with a little, both have the experience that people covet, and if they came into town and had success, it would be a great first blow in the renewed noriques-habs rivalry
I think that a Coyotes-turned-Nords would keep Tippett...

Is Bykov any more qualified than Roy at that point?

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