I find it odd how someone with 57 points the last two seasons vs. the guy with a Hart and Art Ross has nearly an equal amount of votes. Especially considering Spezza gets torched for goals against far more often than Sedin too. A large amount of stock must be being put into this season.
Fair enough. At thier best the past three seasons I don't see how the answer isn't Henrik Sedin, though.
The thing is Henrik just went through his prime, while Spezza is just entering his and looks as deadly as ever. The fact that its this close already statistically, with the edge going to Spezza in 4 of the 7 seasons so far post lock out, leads me to believe Spezza is the better talent of the two.
While henrik is a great player and part of one of the deadliest duos we've seen post lockout, he doesnt have the raw talent and tools that Spezza does. Henrik has some impressive hardware, not matter which way you look at it, and thats why he'll win this argument in a lot of peoples minds. But there's been a lot better players than Sedin to not win the art ross or hart. Circumstance plays a huge role in how things play out.
Spezza can do things not many other players can, and hes just now learning how to put it all together. Hes over a PPG for his career in the regular season and playoffs; that doesnt happen by accident after 600 games.
Obviously Im not going to convince many people, Im a sens fan, but Spezza is one of the somewhat forgotten great talents in the league and Im ecstatic that hes finally becoming the player he was expected to be.
I see a lot of similarities between Tavares and Spezza. Not necessarily how they play, or even how their careers started, but for the fact that people will have really underestimated their talent and impact these guys will have on their team. They may not ever win a major trophy, but the'll spend a good chunk of their careers being among the most talented and dangerous players in the league.
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I understand Richards because of the grit factor, but there's no way Carter should have been the 1st injury replacement over Spezza. None.
The difference between Spezza and those guys is that Spezza doesnt stop producing offensively even in down years. Much of that 2003 draft class is coming back down to earth, and while most of those guys are still among the best in the league, it puts things in perspective a little of what it takes to be truly proven as an elite producer, which Spezza has.
I find it odd how someone with 57 points the last two seasons vs. the guy with a Hart and Art Ross has nearly an equal amount of votes. Especially considering Spezza gets torched for goals against far more often than Sedin too. A large amount of stock must be being put into this season.
Its really not fair to judge them on the past three years, both have been playing a lot longer than that. Sedin has been on a powehouse team for the last three years, go figure he looks good in that time frame. Spezza the three years prior to that was in a similar situation. Wouldnt that be a little more fair to go by? Spezza is younger too..
Sens fans are beyond cocky as of late.. But whatever makes them feel better. After all you guys are headed to a first round exit.
The fact that Sens fans think Spezza > Sedin is a joke.
Sen fans. Actually it isn't just Sen fans that know Spezza is just a s good as Sedin.
Well your guys could too. I mean one of your favorite teams could.
I always wonder what team you get behind when two of your favorite teams play each other.
Could never see a true fan having multipul favorite teams.
Sens fans are beyond cocky as of late.. But whatever makes them feel better. After all you guys are headed to a first round exit.
The fact that Sens fans think Spezza > Sedin is a joke.
So what you're telling me is that your incapable of reading. The OP didn't ask which one is better in talent, he asked which one had the more impressive season given their teams' circumstances.
So what you're telling me is that your incapable of reading. The OP didn't ask which one is better in talent, he asked which one had the more impressive season given their teams' circumstances.
I was responding to multiple posts by sens fans here, not the OP. People are saying things as stupid as "I'd take Turris over Sedin" among other stupid comments.
I was responding to multiple posts by sens fans here, not the OP. People are saying things as stupid as "I'd take Turris over Sedin" among other stupid comments.
I'm pretty sure you responded with,
( The fact that Sens fans think Spezza > Sedin is a joke. )
While henrik is a great player and part of one of the deadliest duos we've seen post lockout, he doesnt have the raw talent and tools that Spezza does.
Meh, he doesn't have the raw stickhandling and shot that Spezza has, but his unique talent is his vision of the game. This is the third straight year he will lead the league in assists (without any true snipers on his team, by the way), Henrik's raw talent is a lot rarer.
Why go back 7 years? Because of a lock-out? Is that relevant?
Why not go back the past 6 years? 5 years? 4 years?
Isn't it more relevant to look at what both players have been doing more recently, not 7 years ago? I think in a span of 3 years, a player can change significantly from entering prime to leaving it. Spezza was better than Sedin 7 years ago, then eventually Sedin was better, and then Spezza will probably pass Sedin as Sedin gets older and Spezza enters his prime. Put that on a graph and all that shows you is that Sedin peaked later than Spezza, but his peak was better than Spezza's so far.
In the last 3 years, who's been better? Convenient stats are convenient.
Its really not fair to judge them on the past three years, both have been playing a lot longer than that. Sedin has been on a powehouse team for the last three years, go figure he looks good in that time frame. Spezza the three years prior to that was in a similar situation. Wouldnt that be a little more fair to go by? Spezza is younger too..
It's not really fair to judge them beyond the recent past. Using how good a player was half a decade ago is ludicrous. Sedin can put up over a ppg playing with guys like Lappiere on his line so the whole team point is moot. There are countless examples of young players who put up their best seasons when theyre young so there's no way to predict where Spezza goes from here.
Why go back 7 years? Because of a lock-out? Is that relevant?
Why not go back the past 6 years? 5 years? 4 years?
Isn't it more relevant to look at what both players have been doing more recently, not 7 years ago? I think in a span of 3 years, a player can change significantly from entering prime to leaving it. Spezza was better than Sedin 7 years ago, then eventually Sedin was better, and then Spezza will probably pass Sedin as Sedin gets older and Spezza enters his prime. Put that on a graph and all that shows you is that Sedin peaked later than Spezza, but his peak was better than Spezza's so far.
In the last 3 years, who's been better? Convenient stats are convenient.
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It's not really fair to judge them beyond the recent past. Using how good a player was half a decade ago is ludicrous. Sedin can put up over a ppg playing with guys like Lappiere on his line so the whole team point is moot. There are countless examples of young players who put up their best seasons when theyre young so there's no way to predict where Spezza goes from here.
Its completely relavent to use the lock out as a starting point, unless you want Sedin to win this argument.. There's nothing "convenient" about going back to lockout to compare players, its actually a perfect sample size. Lol are you both like 16? I know 6 years ago seems like forever ago at that age, but its not.
I guess Im the only one ever to use that as a starting point, what a stat cherry picking homer I am..
These arent old guys were talking about here, its Spezza and Sedin. Why would we only focus on three years back? Neither guy was just breaking into the league, if anything this should look much more lopsided for Sedin using this time frame, but it still doesnt. So its more then fair to look at what they've done so far in the new era of the league.
I guess the NHL really only came into existence about three years ago for a lot of the Vancouver fans, so this comes as no surprise they dont see much beyond three years back..
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Its completely relavent to use the lock out as a starting point, unless you want Sedin to win this argument.. There's nothing "convenient" about going back to lockout to compare players, its actually a perfect sample size. Lol are you both like 16? I know 6 years ago seems like forever ago at that age, but its not.
I guess Im the only one ever to use that as a starting point, what a stat cherry picking homer I am..
These arent old guys were talking about here, its Spezza and Sedin. Why would we only focus on three years back? Neither guy is just breaking into the league, so its more then fair to look at what they've done so far in the new era of the league.
I guess the NHL really only came into existence about three years ago for a lot of the Vancouver fans, so this comes as no surprise they dont see much beyond three years back..
Don't stop there, Heatley and Alfreddson were pretty good 5 years ago too, maybe they're also better than the Sedins
Until he starts out scoring the Sedins consistently again, he isn't better.
Spezza has outscored Sedin in 4 of those 7 seasons lol. He's also younger and been to the cup finals as well.
Not to mention I'd take spezza everyday of the week over Sedin in the playoffs. Did you only start paying attention to hockey when the Sedins got good?
It's not really fair to judge them beyond the recent past. Using how good a player was half a decade ago is ludicrous. Sedin can put up over a ppg playing with guys like Lappiere on his line so the whole team point is moot. There are countless examples of young players who put up their best seasons when theyre young so there's no way to predict where Spezza goes from here.
Well first of all no he hasnt, second of all spezza did that with greening this year. Why on earth would you only go back 3 years when both players are in there late 20's and or early 30's thats ridiculous.
