HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > Fantasy Hockey Talk > Mock Drafts
Mock Drafts Mock drafts for fun and fantasy here.

2012 NHL Mock Draft: Top 14 - (Redarmynative)

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-31-2012, 10:21 PM
  #51
Sojourn
Global Moderator
Where's the kaboom?
 
Sojourn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 24,219
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by redarmynative View Post
murray will be a better and more important player. Number one defenseman are hard to find these while top forwards come from all over. When's the last time you heard a player being compared to scott niedermayer?
2010?

And 2008 before that.

Sojourn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-31-2012, 10:31 PM
  #52
DuckJet
#KESBAE
 
DuckJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Funkytown
Country: Kazakhstan
Posts: 36,131
vCash: 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post
2010?

And 2008 before that.
Lol this. Fowler and Pietrangelo ring a bell to anyone? And those were pro scouts making those comparisons.

DuckJet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-31-2012, 10:34 PM
  #53
Soundwave
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 24,096
vCash: 500
Every year there's either a new Neidermayer, Pronger, or Lidstrom

I still remember 2008 (there's no way Hedman isn't the next Lidstrom! Guaranteed!). Bogosian was the next Pronger, then Gudbranson. Fowler is the new Neidermayer. Etc. Etc. Etc.

If the Oilers end up landing Justin Schultz that could throw a huge wrench into the draft too as the "need" for a d-man begins to lessen considerably (add on to that that Gagner would almost certainly be dealt for another d-man on top of that if Grigo is the Oilers pick).

Soundwave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 12:45 AM
  #54
oil country 83
Registered User
 
oil country 83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 175
vCash: 500
It looks more and more like the oilers will finish 29th, I think there is a good chance they will draft murray. I think there is a chance if grigorenko or galynchuk have good playoffs and combines that the oil draft one of them and shop gagner.

oil country 83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 07:44 AM
  #55
Seto
New Jersey 5000
 
Seto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: New Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 5,605
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post
2010?

And 2008 before that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckJet View Post
Lol this. Fowler and Pietrangelo ring a bell to anyone? And those were pro scouts making those comparisons.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soundwave View Post
Every year there's either a new Neidermayer, Pronger, or Lidstrom

I still remember 2008 (there's no way Hedman isn't the next Lidstrom! Guaranteed!). Bogosian was the next Pronger, then Gudbranson. Fowler is the new Neidermayer. Etc. Etc. Etc.

If the Oilers end up landing Justin Schultz that could throw a huge wrench into the draft too as the "need" for a d-man begins to lessen considerably (add on to that that Gagner would almost certainly be dealt for another d-man on top of that if Grigo is the Oilers pick).
lol.

But you don't think Murray is better than those players at that age? How would you compare Murray to Doughty or Hedman in their draft year (not hype but actual play)?

Seto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 07:56 AM
  #56
DuckJet
#KESBAE
 
DuckJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Funkytown
Country: Kazakhstan
Posts: 36,131
vCash: 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redarmynative View Post
lol.

But you don't think Murray is better than those players at that age? How would you compare Murray to Doughty or Hedman in their draft year (not hype but actual play)?
To be honest, not really. I can't say I think he's WORSE than Larsson, Fowler, Pietrangelo, and Hedman at the same age, but he sure hasn't looked any BETTER to me (in fairness I've only seen live 4 Everett games and all his WJC games)

DuckJet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 07:57 AM
  #57
TheZec
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Country: Switzerland
Posts: 355
vCash: 500
As an islanders fan i hope this is the draft in which snow drafts a potential #1 defenceman

TheZec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 08:27 AM
  #58
AlMo
Registered User
 
AlMo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Toronto
Country: Portugal
Posts: 9,308
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManByng View Post
agreed! Grigorenko will go #2....i guess Ryan Murray fans should hope the Oilers don't fall any further than #3 for the draft.
If the Oilers do pick 2nd and they do decide to take Grigerenko it could be a mistake.

The Oilers have some great depth at the forward position already and considering their age, they might run into some serious problems in a couple of years trying to get all these forwards under the cap.

Drafting a dman is the smart thing to do imo. The Oilers are in desperate need of a PMD who can play on their top pairing down the road and Murray fits that bill. I know the argument of drafting Grigs and trading Gagner has been used but imo, Gagner has far more value to the Oil than to the rest of the league and you are kidding yourself if you think you can prospect like Murray in return.

AlMo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 12:38 PM
  #59
Seto
New Jersey 5000
 
Seto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: New Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 5,605
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlMo View Post
If the Oilers do pick 2nd and they do decide to take Grigerenko it could be a mistake.

The Oilers have some great depth at the forward position already and considering their age, they might run into some serious problems in a couple of years trying to get all these forwards under the cap.

Drafting a dman is the smart thing to do imo. The Oilers are in desperate need of a PMD who can play on their top pairing down the road and Murray fits that bill. I know the argument of drafting Grigs and trading Gagner has been used but imo, Gagner has far more value to the Oil than to the rest of the league and you are kidding yourself if you think you can prospect like Murray in return.
You shouldn't make any drafting decisions based on depth. You could always make a trade to alleviate the depth and make room.

I honestly think Murray is a better choice than Grigorenko.

Seto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 02:59 PM
  #60
ManByng
Moroz fan
 
ManByng's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: St. Albert, Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,518
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redarmynative View Post
I honestly think Murray is a better choice than Grigorenko.
i don't ! and if the Oilers draft 2nd and pick Grigs, then i'm ok with it. chatter around here is that if it plays out like this, then perhaps a package that includes Sam Gagner would be put out there to try to pry a top d-man from another team.

ManByng is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 03:22 PM
  #61
Kulemon
Registered User
 
Kulemon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,207
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManByng View Post
i don't ! and if the Oilers draft 2nd and pick Grigs, then i'm ok with it. chatter around here is that if it plays out like this, then perhaps a package that includes Sam Gagner would be put out there to try to pry a top d-man from another team.
Why would a team trade a top dman for a package that has Sam gagner as the main piece.

Kulemon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 03:34 PM
  #62
Zeroknowledge*
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Facing a PC
Posts: 1,644
vCash: 500
As of now here is my top 10 updated mock.

1- Columbus: Nail Yakupov
2- Edmonton: Mikhail Grigorenko
3- Montreal: Alex Galchenyuk
4- Minnesota: Ryan Murray
5- NY Islanders: Matt Dumba
6- Toronto : Filip Forsberg
7- Anaheim: Jacob Trouba
8- Carolina: Radek Faksa
9- Tampa Bay: Griffin Reinhart
10- Winnipeg: Morgan Rielly


Last edited by Zeroknowledge*: 04-01-2012 at 05:17 PM.
Zeroknowledge* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 03:37 PM
  #63
Smallz
Registered User
 
Smallz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,110
vCash: 500
As much as I'd love to grab Murray at 6, I'd much rather pick Forsberg there due to our lack of solid young forward prospects

Smallz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 03:39 PM
  #64
490 nm
Registered User
 
490 nm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 627
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeroknowledge View Post
As of now here is my top 10 updated mock.

1- Columbus: Nail Yakupov
2- Edmonton: Mikhail Grigorenko
3- Montreal: Alex Galchenyuk
4- Minnesota: Ryan Murray
5- NY Islanders: Matt Dumba
6- Toronto : Ryan Murray
7- Anaheim: Filip Forsberg
8- Carolina: Radek Faksa
9- Tampa Bay: Jacob Trouba
10- Winnipeg: Morgan Rielly
lol

490 nm is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 03:44 PM
  #65
wholesickcrew
Registered User
 
wholesickcrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,917
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redarmynative View Post
You shouldn't make any drafting decisions based on depth. You could always make a trade to alleviate the depth and make room.
Then why haven't Omark, Paajarvi, or Gagner been traded for help on D yet? Pittsburgh drafted Letang and Fleury with high picks, giving them a nice balanced young roster to work with.

wholesickcrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 04:01 PM
  #66
Leafs For Life*
Nothing
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,636
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 490 nm View Post
lol
You saw that also then

Leafs For Life* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 04:10 PM
  #67
ZugNugget
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,209
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by wholesickcrew View Post
Then why haven't Omark, Paajarvi, or Gagner been traded for help on D yet? Pittsburgh drafted Letang and Fleury with high picks, giving them a nice balanced young roster to work with.
Kris Letang: 62nd overall, 2005

Martin Marincin: 46th overall, 2010
Oscar Klefbom: 19th overall, 2011
David Musil: 31st overall, 2011

And I really hope no one is advocating drafting a goalie first overall.

ZugNugget is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 04:12 PM
  #68
Philly85
Moody'
 
Philly85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 11,988
vCash: 500
if the Oilers are drafting @ 2, there is no way they'll pass up Grigorenko. They do not have as good offensive depth as some would like to believe. They essentially have 1 good top line for the future and a bunch of plugs, maybe one serviceable offensive veteran player in Ales Hemsky if he's able to stay healthy. The rest can be called throw aways or fringe players.

They need Grigorenko moving forward to give them respectable centre depth. Gagner has not developed enough seems to have plateaud.

I seriously laugh at all the people who have the Oilers picking D, regardless. It's BPA, and for many, not just fans on the Oilers board, it's Grigorenko.

Philly85 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 04:27 PM
  #69
ManByng
Moroz fan
 
ManByng's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: St. Albert, Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,518
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManByng View Post
i don't ! and if the Oilers draft 2nd and pick Grigs, then i'm ok with it. chatter around here is that if it plays out like this, then perhaps a package that includes Sam Gagner would be put out there to try to pry a top d-man from another team.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kulemon View Post
Why would a team trade a top dman for a package that has Sam gagner as the main piece.
hey it's not my idea! just chatter i have heard, either the radio guys or the paper. i'm guessing the idea is to try and pry a decent d-man from someone who needs more offence....a good guess is Nashville perhaps? they probably could use Sam and a prospect or draft choice, and could probably afford to give up a Ryan Ellis or Jonothan Blum...i have heard that the Preds have a lot of the same type of D, and could spare one of those two for more offense.

ManByng is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 04:38 PM
  #70
DuckJet
#KESBAE
 
DuckJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Funkytown
Country: Kazakhstan
Posts: 36,131
vCash: 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by 490 nm View Post
lol
I loled

DuckJet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-01-2012, 09:59 PM
  #71
Seto
New Jersey 5000
 
Seto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: New Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 5,605
vCash: 500
Updated.

Seto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-02-2012, 09:41 AM
  #72
wholesickcrew
Registered User
 
wholesickcrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,917
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZugNugget View Post
Kris Letang: 62nd overall, 2005

Martin Marincin: 46th overall, 2010
Oscar Klefbom: 19th overall, 2011
David Musil: 31st overall, 2011

And I really hope no one is advocating drafting a goalie first overall.
My bad. Obviously I was thinking of Whitney... which is ironic considering where he is now. I really like those three, Marincin and Klefbom especially, but how far away are they?

wholesickcrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-02-2012, 09:51 AM
  #73
canovin
Klefbom's charm
 
canovin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: McDougall School
Posts: 887
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by wholesickcrew View Post
My bad. Obviously I was thinking of Whitney... which is ironic considering where he is now. I really like those three, Marincin and Klefbom especially, but how far away are they?
I'd say at least 1 year for Klefbom and 2 more years for both Marincin and Musil. 3 years for Martin Gernat, a sleeper in last year draft.

Either we draft Murray or Justin Schultz signs with us, otherwise it's UFA signings for another year.

canovin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-02-2012, 10:30 AM
  #74
WILDTATE10
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,603
vCash: 50
Wild would Probly go Trouba over Reinhart. Cant believe i have to even talk about us picking those 2 now... Wild really ****** up

WILDTATE10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-02-2012, 10:36 AM
  #75
DaveG
Mod Supervisor
RIP Kev
 
DaveG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Durham NC
Country: United States
Posts: 30,770
vCash: 2498
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManByng View Post
not a bad list, i'd just substitute Faksa and Gaunce for Rielly and Ceci, and switch #2 with #3.
I won't say there's no chance the Canes take a dman, but where they really need help is up front so Faksa's about as good a guess at #9 as you can make. Teravainen might sneak into that spot though.

DaveG is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:42 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.