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04-08-2012, 12:38 AM
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Any pics of Hunwick in net?

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Fedor Tyutin was passing out shirts at the Main Concourse entrance pre-game. Marc Methot and Curtis Sanford also made appearances.

The three were then quickly ushered away, with Methot saying "If we don't get out of here, we're going to be swamped."

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04-08-2012, 04:48 AM
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Obviously the guy who acquired him needs the boot. And whoever drafted that Atkinson kid.
A team with 170 wins out of 410 games. 41%

A team which is bleeding red ink whose fan base has deteriorated so significantly in the past five seasons that it required casino welfare to insure that it didn't relocate.

A team which finished dead last in the NHL by a significant margin in year 5 of a GMs tenure.

Yeah. Whoever guided this ship is a keeper.

Has Chris MacFarland ever been seen as the same room as the "Mayor?"

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A team with 170 wins out of 410 games. 41%

A team which is bleeding red ink whose fan base has deteriorated so significantly in the past five seasons that it required casino welfare to insure that it didn't relocate.

A team which finished dead last in the NHL by a significant margin in year 5 of a GMs tenure.

Yeah. Whoever guided this ship is a keeper.

Has Chris MacFarland ever been seen as the same room as the "Mayor?"
Yet , it couldn't fall back on the players ? I find it amazing that we are winning at a much greater clip towards the end of the season with somewhat of an ahl team on paper. This season was a cluster f , no doubt. But when you have the injuries, a goal tender that sucked bad for 2/3 of the season, and most likely a semi mutiny by the players (no doubt they quit on Arniel), you have a disastrous season. Who knows what's really going on. We make judgement without ever knowing the full situation. Maybe there is a lot more to the Nash saga, and when it was announced he was going to be traded, you had other players step up and lead the team. I'm a results guy, so believe me , I feel your pain. But honestly, to me, it seems like this team can generate a lot of offense with the d men we have now. Transition always starts on the back end. We draft yapukov, move Nash for some pieces. Use our la pick in first round to target a goalie, possibly Cory Schneider , and the turn around could be quick . I really think that Patrick was brought in to mentor howson, since we had no other hockey guys in our front office, and the moves they have made together have been really good. Just my opinion though.

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04-08-2012, 08:12 AM
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OK, nuff about last night. It was fun and all, but.........

I woke up this morning, the sun came up, and the Jackets had a dismal season, and need major changes.

We all know where we would start, but sadly, JPM disagrees.

Here's hoping that the guys that created this disaster are able to pull a 180.

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04-08-2012, 09:31 AM
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Any pics of Hunwick in net?


2 Michigan Wolverines right here. Hanwick still had that UM logo on the pads.

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I was impressed that the FANS people were diligent to the end. From what I understand they have compiled over 1000 signatures to present to MacJr. I am sure his response will be something like, "Am I supposed to know these people?"

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It's funny, because I seem to remember a few who said around Thanksgiving that they were hoping for a finish in the bottom five, just to be able to get a franchise-type player in the draft to be able to have an excellent piece going forward. And when that happened, even that silver lining was an abomination....

I don't think anyone is happy with how this season went. But the future looks a hell of a lot brighter than it did two months ago, four months ago, and six months ago.
Spot on, not really much else to say about the state of the team.

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Can anybody give me a quick rundown of Jr's. Jumbotron mea culpa?

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And a guy whose previous four seasons were the four best in the history of the franchise, including the only playoff appearance.

What did he start off with when he arrived, either on the NHL roster or in the pipeline?
The same guy who banked on Steve Mason and a guy who played 1 NHL game.

These games mean nothing. It'll be the same **** next year, start off horribly until we're out of contention, then start playing well. You guys never learn.

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The same guy who banked on Steve Mason and a guy who played 1 NHL game.

These games mean nothing. It'll be the same **** next year, start off horribly until we're out of contention, then start playing well. You guys never learn.
FWIW, it wasn't even a full NHL game... 50 minutes.

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Yet , it couldn't fall back on the players ? I find it amazing that we are winning at a much greater clip towards the end of the season with somewhat of an ahl team on paper. This season was a cluster f , no doubt. But when you have the injuries, a goal tender that sucked bad for 2/3 of the season, and most likely a semi mutiny by the players (no doubt they quit on Arniel), you have a disastrous season. Who knows what's really going on. We make judgement without ever knowing the full situation. Maybe there is a lot more to the Nash saga, and when it was announced he was going to be traded, you had other players step up and lead the team. I'm a results guy, so believe me , I feel your pain. But honestly, to me, it seems like this team can generate a lot of offense with the d men we have now. Transition always starts on the back end. We draft yapukov, move Nash for some pieces. Use our la pick in first round to target a goalie, possibly Cory Schneider , and the turn around could be quick . I really think that Patrick was brought in to mentor howson, since we had no other hockey guys in our front office, and the moves they have made together have been really good. Just my opinion though.
If the turnover from the beginning of Howson's tenure until now was smaller, I could see this. But there are now only three guys on this roster that had played NHL games under Doug MacLean's regime... Nash, Methot and A. Johnson. And keep in mind that one of the those players was just newly reaquired this season after being away from the organization for several years and one of those players appears to be on his way out this offseason.

The bulk of the problems with this organization start at the top. Fix those and the on-ice problems will work themselves out.

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04-08-2012, 12:40 PM
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Can anybody give me a quick rundown of Jr's. Jumbotron mea culpa?
There was a mea culpa???

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He's only been great by Jacket standards. Now watch a leaguewide great player like Tavaras tonight and see the difference.
Missed the game, did everyone see the difference?

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Missed the game, did everyone see the difference?
Thought Okposo had the best game of the Isle forwards.

For a lot of the game, I thought that if you exchanged uniforms on the two teams no one would notice.

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And a guy whose previous four seasons were the four best in the history of the franchise, including the only playoff appearance.

What did he start off with when he arrived, either on the NHL roster or in the pipeline?
And in his 5th year of tenure, one which should be his best, because these are his players, his coaches etc, it has landed us 30th. Yes, dead last in the entire in NHL, while doing it on the highest payroll in team history.

Just because we won a couple meaningless games down the stretch doesnt mean squat. Still need to remove Priest and Howson entirely from the CBJ to be a successful team.

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04-08-2012, 11:33 PM
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Yet , it couldn't fall back on the players ? I find it amazing that we are winning at a much greater clip towards the end of the season with somewhat of an ahl team on paper. This season was a cluster f , no doubt. But when you have the injuries, a goal tender that sucked bad for 2/3 of the season, and most likely a semi mutiny by the players (no doubt they quit on Arniel), you have a disastrous season. Who knows what's really going on. We make judgement without ever knowing the full situation. Maybe there is a lot more to the Nash saga, and when it was announced he was going to be traded, you had other players step up and lead the team. I'm a results guy, so believe me , I feel your pain. But honestly, to me, it seems like this team can generate a lot of offense with the d men we have now. Transition always starts on the back end. We draft yapukov, move Nash for some pieces. Use our la pick in first round to target a goalie, possibly Cory Schneider , and the turn around could be quick . I really think that Patrick was brought in to mentor howson, since we had no other hockey guys in our front office, and the moves they have made together have been really good. Just my opinion though.

We have a goalie issue ever since the end of the 08-09 season. One that has been evident to the entire hockey world. Yet our incompetent front office of Priest and Howson, didnt do a dang thing about it.

As far as finishing out stretch . . . . Good God people. We do this every damn year! Shouldnt you have this song and dance memorized by now?? We are out of the playoff race come New Years, win some meaningless games, and people buy into this false hope. Its been 12 years. Seriously. You would think we would learn by now.

Check this out in Montreal. Their GM has 2 playoff appearances, and he gets canned, and ours gets the worst record in the NHL and he is still here. Ugh.

Pierre Gautheir: 84-71-26 (2 1/2 years, 2 playoff appearances)
Scott Howson: 166-182-57 (5 years, 1 playoff appearance)


Guess what I dont hear also. Excuses. Im freaking sick of them. We are only 10th in the NHL in man starts lost to injury. Wake up. The Blues have lost more starts to injury than us, and they won the best division in hockey. Truth hurts, but its reality and people need to realize what needs to be done. Fire Priest. Fire Howson.

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Has Chris MacFarland ever been seen as the same room as the "Mayor?"
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If the turnover from the beginning of Howson's tenure until now was smaller, I could see this. But there are now only three guys on this roster that had played NHL games under Doug MacLean's regime... Nash, Methot and A. Johnson. And keep in mind that one of the those players was just newly reaquired this season after being away from the organization for several years and one of those players appears to be on his way out this offseason.

The bulk of the problems with this organization start at the top. Fix those and the on-ice problems will work themselves out.
Brassard as well.

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And in his 5th year of tenure, one which should be his best, because these are his players, his coaches etc, it has landed us 30th. Yes, dead last in the entire in NHL, while doing it on the highest payroll in team history.

Just because we won a couple meaningless games down the stretch doesnt mean squat. Still need to remove Priest and Howson entirely from the CBJ to be a successful team.
Ah, but you overlook two important things. One is that there was almost no one of NHL caliber on the roster when he arrived, and the other is that there was almost no one of NHL caliber in the prospect pipeline when he arrived.

Just for fun, I decided to look up the track record of someone who everyone loves, and that person is Dale Tallon. As long as we're talking about "inexcusable errors", I'd argue that not qualifying pending RFAs properly (thus making them UFAs) is among the 10 biggest blunders of the last 20 years. I can also argue that Chicago not being a true dynasty by this point can be directly traced back to the salary cap crunch that resulted from this particular error.

When Dale Tallon arrived in Chicago, the following players were already on the NHL roster:
Brent Seabrook
Dustin Byfuglien
James Wisniewski (later traded for Sammy Pahlsson)
Corey Crawford
Brandon Bochenski (traded for Kris Versteeg)
Duncan Keith
Matt Ellison (traded for Patrick Sharp)
Rene Bourque
Radim Vrbata
Craig Anderson

Prospects in the system?
Troy Brouwer, Dave Bolland, Bryan Bickell, Adam Burish, and Tuomu Ruutu (traded for Andrew Ladd, possibly because his last name didn't begin with a B).

In Tallon's five drafts as Chicago GM, there have been a total of 9 players who have played a single NHL game. The two best of those were Patrick Kane (1st overall) and Jonathan Toews (3rd overall)...then after Niklas Hjalmarsson, it's six depth players or non-NHL players. His coaching hires? Trent Yawney (fired after 103 games), Denis Savard (fired after 147 games), and Joel Quenneville.

In case you've ever wondered why Chicago went from nothing to something very quickly, look at who was already there. Want to do a direct comparison to what Columbus had on the roster and in the system?

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Check this out in Montreal. Their GM has 2 playoff appearances, and he gets canned, and ours gets the worst record in the NHL and he is still here. Ugh.

Pierre Gautheir: 84-71-26 (2 1/2 years, 2 playoff appearances)
Scott Howson: 166-182-57 (5 years, 1 playoff appearance)
In the five years before Gauthier arrived, Montreal had seasons of 93, 93, 90, 104, and 93 points. They won 40+ games all five years and made the playoffs four times (missing in that year of 90).

In the five years before Howson arrived, Columbus had seasons of 57, 69, 62, 74, and 73 points.

You're right though. Those are exactly comparable.

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Are we getting better or getting worse? One could excuse the lack of playoff appearances if we were getting better, but this chart says it all.


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Are we getting better or getting worse? One could excuse the lack of playoff appearances if we were getting better, but this chart says it all.

BOOM!! Roasted!!!

Nice job!!

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Are we getting better or getting worse? One could excuse the lack of playoff appearances if we were getting better, but this chart says it all.
Disco Stu: Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976? If these trends continue... A-y-y-y!


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BOOM!! Roasted!!!

Nice job!!
Scale of "roasted".

10 - Nuclear fusion
9 - Surface of the sun
8 - Totino's Pizza Rolls, right out of the microwave, stuck to the roof of your mouth
7 - An infrared broiler at a premium steakhouse
6 - Pizza right out of the oven without time to cool
5 - Five-alarm chili
4 - Boiling water
3 - Sitting outside in a desert
2 - Rugburn
1 - Being slapped with a paper bookmark
0.5 - Ice water
0.02 - That chart

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Disco Stu: Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976? If these trends continue... A-y-y-y!

You crack me up!

Looks like our Saturday Night Fever soundtrack year was Ken Hitchcock in 2008!

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In the five years before Howson arrived, Columbus had seasons of 57, 69, 62, 74, and 73 points.

You're right though. Those are exactly comparable.
And Howson got 65 points this year. Worse than 3 out of the previous 4 years, and the single worst under his 5 year reign, and the worst in the entire NHL for this year. Trending in the right direction??? Please. We are regressing.

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