Just because the Oilers sucked with it doesn't mean it wasn't worth losing a year for in the greater scheme of things.
Without it, I think it's very likely that we wouldn't even have an Oilers team to denigrate, and we definitely wouldn't have the return of the Winnipeg Jets nor would we be seeing Quebec City trying to build an NHL-size arena.
On an Oilers note though, looking through the list that Tyler cobbled together:
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Head Professional Scout – Morey Gare (1998)
Professional Scout – Duane Sutter (2011)
Professional Scout – Michael Abbamont (2005)
Professional Scout – Chris Chihocki (2008 – a guess based on when he was fired as coach of the Stockton Thunder)
Professional Scout – Dave Semenko (1996)
I'd say those guys could stand to be turned into former Oiler employees, as a start.
Tyler Dellow is the Glenn Beck of Oilers blogging. Why should anyone take him seriously when he behaves like such an *******?
I never get tired of people who are in no way affiliated with a private corporation demanding "accountability" and using one narrow lens to define success despite having been employed for precisely zero days in professional hockey.
You know what, I'm going to come up with my own narrow lens to define success: the Oilers are one of only ten teams to make the SC finals since the new CBA kicked in. Therefore, the Oilers are one of the top ten teams since the lockout. Funny how this works.
Worst team of the post-lockout era is bar none the Toronto Maple Leafs. Only team not to make the playoffs since the lockout. At least we have one playoff appearance since the lockout and made it to game 7 of SCF.
Tyler Dellow is the Glenn Beck of Oilers blogging. Why should anyone take him seriously when he behaves like such an *******?
I never get tired of people who are in no way affiliated with a private corporation demanding "accountability" and using one narrow lens to define success despite having been employed for precisely zero days in professional hockey.
You know what, I'm going to come up with my own narrow lens to define success: the Oilers are one of only ten teams to make the SC finals since the new CBA kicked in. Therefore, the Oilers are one of the top ten teams since the lockout. Funny how this works.
..now just let me get my chalkboard.
The title of the thread makes an interesting story that I've recounted here many times. Basically that the Oilers sought a new CBA so that they could become competitive,...only to become the team with the worst record in the NHL post CBA.
Its a compelling topic.
But I'm not sure what the linked article really has to do with the thread title. I'm not getting it in anycase. mudcrutch being typically obtuse in what he's stating.
Worst team of the post-lockout era is bar none the Toronto Maple Leafs. Only team not to make the playoffs since the lockout. At least we have one playoff appearance since the lockout and made it to game 7 of SCF.
We have more playoff wins in that one year than most of the other Canadian teams since the lockout.
As many of us have been told in no uncertain terms that we are not "smart enough" to understand the ins and out of advanced statistical analysis by guys like Tyler, I'll pass on Dellow's newest Pulitzer prize winning piece as I am sure it is far beyond my comprehension level.
Yeah, I find it kind of strange to say we're the worst team since the lockout when we were three goals away from a Stanley Cup at one point in there. Win-Loss record doesn't say everything.
I think Kevin Lowe sold our collective soul for a year of Pronger and a Cup Run.
The title of the thread makes an interesting story that I've recounted here many times. Basically that the Oilers sought a new CBA so that they could become competitive,...only to become the team with the worst record in the NHL post CBA.
To me this strikes me as ironic but it doesn't necessarily mean incompetence.
What I don't like about Dellow's post is that he says we're the worst team since the lockout, and wonders where the accountability is. That's ridiculous. If Daryl Katz was telling Tambellini every year, "Ok guys, the goal is to make the playoffs" then I would agree that Tambellini and possibly Lowe have not been held accountable for the poor results. But if Tambellini is told the goal is to rebuild the hockey team through the draft, and then Tambo ices a team that nets us Taylor Hall and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, not only has Tambellini done what was asked of him, he probably deserves a bonus from Katz. It sucks as a fan, but it's the truth.
Worst team of the post-lockout era is bar none the Toronto Maple Leafs. Only team not to make the playoffs since the lockout. At least we have one playoff appearance since the lockout and made it to game 7 of SCF.
Just going on pure win/loss records we're worse by a country mile. An SC final 6years ago doesn't mean a whole lot after missing the playoffs 6 consecutive seasons and being the worst club in the league through that time.
Heres the post cap records:
Primary team Toronto: 252-242-38-40 in these games.
Goals for Toronto: 1655
Goals against Toronto: 1868
Primary team Edmonton: 251-281-22-42 in these games.
Goals for Edmonton: 1607
Goals against Edmonton: 1845
oh, we're slightly better than the Islanders. thats something..
Primary team NY Islanders: 235-271-39-32 in these games.
Goals for NY Islanders: 1530
Goals against NY Islanders: 1829
To me this strikes me as ironic but it doesn't necessarily mean incompetence.
What I don't like about Dellow's post is that he says we're the worst team since the lockout, and wonders where the accountability is. That's ridiculous. If Daryl Katz was telling Tambellini every year, "Ok guys, the goal is to make the playoffs" then I would agree that Tambellini and possibly Lowe have not been held accountable for the poor results. But if Tambellini is told the goal is to rebuild the hockey team through the draft, and then Tambo ices a team that nets us Taylor Hall and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, not only has Tambellini done what was asked of him, he probably deserves a bonus from Katz. It sucks as a fan, but it's the truth.
Yeah, I can't agree with that assessment. This is a league and draft that rewards incompetence. Which is plenty special for the Oilers, but certainly nothing to be proud about.
Also one has to establish that the goal of the org with one of the worst records and highest ticket prices had at its goal to be purposely terrible on the ice. A mandate which would never be admitted but would be deplorable at best considering the mandate as entertainment product.
Just going on pure win/loss records we're worse by a country mile. An SC final 6years ago doesn't mean a whole lot after missing the playoffs 6 consecutive seasons and being the worst club in the league through that time.
Heres the post cap records:
Primary team Toronto: 252-242-38-40 in these games.
Goals for Toronto: 1655
Goals against Toronto: 1868
Primary team Edmonton: 251-281-22-42 in these games.
Goals for Edmonton: 1607
Goals against Edmonton: 1845
oh, we're slightly better than the Islanders. thats something..
Primary team NY Islanders: 235-271-39-32 in these games.
Goals for NY Islanders: 1530
Goals against NY Islanders: 1829
You can say that too but I was referring to the quality rather than quantity. Sure we had 3 bottom five finishes, but at the end of the day, the Oilers accomplished a helluva lot more than the Leafs post-lockout. What did the leafs do since the lockout? Trade lottery picks for Kessel
Yeah, I find it kind of strange to say we're the worst team since the lockout when we were three goals away from a Stanley Cup at one point in there. Win-Loss record doesn't say everything.
I think Kevin Lowe sold our collective soul for a year of Pronger and a Cup Run.
WE did this through the help of the CBA that greatly handicapped a dozen clubs that had to pare down cap to make it to the new limits and many of whom would have been more competive than Carolina and Edmonton.
That whole spring should come with an asterisk. That was the year of CBA transition and that being the biggest defining moment in that year.
Yeah, I can't agree with that assessment. This is a league and draft that rewards incompetence. Which is plenty special for the Oilers, but certainly nothing to be proud about.
Also one has to establish that the goal of the org with one of the worst records and highest ticket prices had at its goal to be purposely terrible on the ice. A mandate which would never be admitted but would be deplorable at best considering the mandate as entertainment product.
And I view it more as the Oilers using the system to their advantage. Also, I think deplorable is a bit strong. The Oilers would probably also get raked over the coals if they said in October "our goal this year is to finish in lottery position." I think they have to say the right thing publicly. I won't pretend watching the Oilers has been fun since 2006, but there have been a lot of moments that I would call entertaining. And I know this is a bit of a cop out, but no one is forcing people to watch the Oilers or spend money on them.
I do agree with you though that it is a compelling topic and it'd be interesting to get different takes on it. But it comes back to my Dellow-as-Beck comparable - I see who the author is and I just tune out. There are plenty of respectful bloggers or HF posters that would do a better job with the topic, imo.
WE did this through the help of the CBA that greatly handicapped a dozen clubs that had to pare down cap to make it to the new limits and many of whom would have been more competive than Carolina and Edmonton.
That whole spring should come with an asterisk. That was the year of CBA transition and that being the biggest defining moment in that year.
Wins are wins. We made the playoffs instead of Vancouver, whereas most of the big name teams in the West still made the playoffs.
You can say that too but I was referring to the quality rather than quantity. Sure we had 3 bottom five finishes, but at the end of the day, the Oilers accomplished a helluva lot more than the Leafs post-lockout. What did the leafs do since the lockout? Trade lottery picks for Kessel
In fairness to the Leafs they had some reasonably strong clubs before the lockout. They didn't need the new CBA, they didn't want the new CBA, they were largely compromised by the new CBA.
The teams with bucks never wanted this. We did. Thats what makes it so embarassing that we've done so poorly under the new CBA which was made to order to completely satisfy us.
"A small market team only needs a capped CBA to be competitive"
That was the beckon cry of good ol us. Sure didn't turn out as planned.
In fairness to the Leafs they had some reasonably strong clubs before the lockout. They didn't need the new CBA, they didn't want the new CBA, they were largely compromised by the new CBA.
The teams with bucks never wanted this. We did. Thats what makes it so embarassing that we've done so poorly under the new CBA which was made to order to completely satisfy us.
"A small market team only needs a capped CBA to be competitive"
That was the beckon cry of good ol us. Sure didn't turn out as planned.
Oh boo hoo. The Leafs crippled themselves with shoddy management decisions, not the CBA.
Wins are wins. We made the playoffs instead of Vancouver, whereas most of the big name teams in the West still made the playoffs.
With greatly compromised rosters. I don't know that we get past the first round without a team like the REd Wings having a thinned out, cap resultant lineup.
WE got the cap we wanted, exactly what we wanted, and it worked to our advantage very briefly.
And I view it more as the Oilers using the system to their advantage. Also, I think deplorable is a bit strong. The Oilers would probably also get raked over the coals if they said in October "our goal this year is to finish in lottery position." I think they have to say the right thing publicly. I won't pretend watching the Oilers has been fun since 2006, but there have been a lot of moments that I would call entertaining. And I know this is a bit of a cop out, but no one is forcing people to watch the Oilers or spend money on them.
I do agree with you though that it is a compelling topic and it'd be interesting to get different takes on it. But it comes back to my Dellow-as-Beck comparable - I see who the author is and I just tune out. There are plenty of respectful bloggers or HF posters that would do a better job with the topic, imo.
I'm no fan of dellow, thats for certain.
As far as entertainment I think its more the case that we are able to take the things that we can appreciate out of the mix and work hard to try to appreciate the small things. The Eberle year, things like that. No mistaking that when your team is good to great theres no end of things to be thankful for. Precious little concerning this club and org.
The one thing I agree with Dellow on is I don't trust the same failures that got us into this position to get us out of it.
In fairness to the Leafs they had some reasonably strong clubs before the lockout. They didn't need the new CBA, they didn't want the new CBA, they were largely compromised by the new CBA.
The teams with bucks never wanted this. We did. Thats what makes it so embarassing that we've done so poorly under the new CBA which was made to order to completely satisfy us.
"A small market team only needs a capped CBA to be competitive"
That was the beckon cry of good ol us. Sure didn't turn out as planned.
Whoa, wait a minute. I'm going to call this out. If it was JUST the Oilers and other small market teams that wanted the cap, there is no way we would have lost an entire season's worth of revenues. Owners love to win, but most of them also like to make money. I can pretty much guarantee the majority of owners wanted a cap, and that's why they were willing to do the unprecedented step of canceling a season.
The Leafs in particular probably wanted it. At the time they were owned by the Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan, were they not? the Leafs are probably a MUCH better investment for their members if one of their biggest expenses (payroll) is capped. There is no question they would be in favour of a cap. We often hear Leafs fans complaining that the team has no incentive to get better, because they print money regardless.
Oh boo hoo. The Leafs crippled themselves with shoddy management decisions, not the CBA.
The Leafs were the second most successful team in the league in the financial ledger precap. I'm not sure how you're convinced they crippled themselves precap. Howso?
With greatly compromised rosters. I don't know that we get past the first round without a team like the REd Wings having a thinned out, cap resultant lineup.
WE got the cap we wanted, exactly what we wanted, and it worked to our advantage very briefly.
The Red Wings had a 58 win, 124 point season in 05-06 and you're claiming their team to be "thinned out"?
With greatly compromised rosters. I don't know that we get past the first round without a team like the REd Wings having a thinned out, cap resultant lineup.
WE got the cap we wanted, exactly what we wanted, and it worked to our advantage very briefly.
Pretty sure the Wings made the CF the following year with mostly the same roster and won the Cup the year after. They still had Shanahan, Lidstrom, Holmstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Yzerman, Kronwall...
The only significant piece they lost after the lockout was Brett Hull, and yet they still scored 50 more goals than their previous campaign. Detroit's only weakness was in net, and replacing Cujo with Legace was a lateral move, slight downgrade at worst.
