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04-07-2012, 02:34 PM
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Ladislav Smid vs. Karl Alzner

Both solid pure defense first type of d-man, both bring out their best on nightly basis and u can even argue that these guys have been the heart and soul of their respective clubs d-core this entire season.

That being said, Who in your opinion is the better player of the two?

And who would u take on your club for the next 3 years?

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Smid has been unreal this year. I dont see much of Alzner though, so I wont say ones better then the other.

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Smid has been unreal this year. I dont see much of Alzner though, so I wont say ones better then the other.
Agreed, I think Smid is one of the most underrated d-man in the entire league, he has rebounded nicely and the guy was the Oilers defense this year. The same can be applied to Alzner who has been anchoring Caps defense to the play-offs as arguably their best d-man this year.

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Admittedly I don't see much of Smid, but Alzner is a rock defensively and is only going to get better. If he ever develops offensively I feel pretty confident in saying he could be a top 10 defensemen. Alzner/Carlson(assuming they stay together, which they should) is going to be a top pairing in the league for a long time.

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Admittedly I don't see much of Smid, but Alzner is a rock defensively and is only going to get better. If he ever develops offensively I feel pretty confident in saying he could be a top 10 defensemen. Alzner/Carlson(assuming they stay together, which they should) is going to be a top pairing in the league for a long time.
Smid imo this yr has been top 5 among defensive defensemen in the league but his offense has never really panned out.. ive seen alzner a few times and hes impressive id say in the future he could be def the better of the two.. pretty close right now ...

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I can't comment on Alzner but I'll tell you what Smid is...

defensive defenseman who is very solid positionally, has no hesitation to block shots or throw hits (a 180/180+ type guy)

but has little to no offense at this point in time

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Last time I did math Alzner was a smudge better. That Was mid season tho

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I'd love either on the Blues to pair with Pietrangelo.

That said, I'd probably pick Smid since he already plays in the West.

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Statistically speaking, Alzner faces much tougher competition (0.083 vs 0.049) with fewer offensive zone starts (41.9% vs 49.3%). The Caps lean on Alzner defensively far more than the Oilers lean on Smid. His usage - trailing only Josh Gorges, Brent Seabrook, Dion Phaneuf, Zdeno Chara, Dan Girardi, and Ryan McDonaugh in quality of competition, while getting fewer offensive zone starts than all of the above - along with what I've seen personally watching him play, points to the reality that he is already a top ten stay at home defenseman in this league at the age of 23. I haven't watched Smid enough to get a proper read, but the numbers suggest he's not the same caliber as Alzner.

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Smid is the only D on the oil that can be trusted. He's criminally underrated. He will be someday known as one of the elite shutdown guys in the league

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Statistically speaking, Alzner faces much tougher competition (0.083 vs 0.049) with fewer offensive zone starts (41.9% vs 49.3%). The Caps lean on Alzner defensively far more than the Oilers lean on Smid. His usage - trailing only Josh Gorges, Brent Seabrook, Dion Phaneuf, Zdeno Chara, Dan Girardi, and Ryan McDonaugh in quality of competition, while getting fewer offensive zone starts than all of the above - along with what I've seen personally watching him play, points to the reality that he is already a top ten stay at home defenseman in this league at the age of 23. I haven't watched Smid enough to get a proper read, but the numbers suggest he's not the same caliber as Alzner.
Smid has been a beast this year though. 184 blocked shots in 78 games compared to Alzner's 139 (Smid finished 7th, but wouldve been in top 4 or 5 if he played all 82). Also 186 hits (tied for 36th, 13th for defensemen, compared to Alzner's 74 hits). Tied for 25th in takeaways by defensemen (31, compared to Alzner's 18)

He was also +4 on a -136 team. One of 6 players on the oilers on the + side of things.

Not taking away from Alzner. Just wanted to point out that Smid definitely had a fantastic year.

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Smid has had a better season I'd take Smid right now. Alzner has a bit more potential I suppose but Smid is better right now.

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Smid imo this yr has been top 5 among defensive defensemen in the league but his offense has never really panned out.. ive seen alzner a few times and hes impressive id say in the future he could be def the better of the two.. pretty close right now ...
Well, Smid did have 5 goals this season which is solid for a defensive defenseman.
I feel that he has a little more to give offensively, he could be a 20 pt rock solid defenseman regularly. He does tend to play aggressive offensively from time to time.
This is a good question, i would probably give Alzner the edge because he has more room to grow but they are fairly similar players.

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No, that's completely wrong.

I've watched both plenty and Alzner is by far the much better defenseman.

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No, that's completely wrong.

I've watched both plenty and Alzner is by far the much better defenseman.
Smid - 186 hits, 184 blocked shots

Alzner - 74 hits, 139 blocked shots

Smid has got the whole package. They're fairly close but I'll take Smid.

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Smid - 186 hits, 184 blocked shots

Alzner - 74 hits, 139 blocked shots

Smid has got the whole package. They're fairly close but I'll take Smid.
Nicklas Lidström - 41 hits, 79 blocked shots.
What's your point?

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Nicklas Lidström - 41 hits, 79 blocked shots.
What's your point?
Smid is more physical and blocks more shots, which gives him the edge? Not difficult to understand.

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Smid is more physical and blocks more shots, which gives him the edge? Not difficult to understand.
Alzner is a shutdown Dman. He doesn't need to hit or block shots. Most of the time he shuts them down before they get the chance to shoot.

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Nicklas Lidström - 41 hits, 79 blocked shots.
What's your point?
Clearly Smid is better than Lidstrom

-Calder trophy logic

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Clearly Smid is better than Lidstrom

-Calder trophy logic
exactly,

havent you guys followed the calder threads? didn't you learn from colorado fans how hits are the most important stat ever?

(but seriously smid has been fantastic)

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I'll take Smid, but I'll have to see who you pair with him on defense. As a pair (Smid and Alzner), they could be complementary.

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I like Alzner more, but Smid is easily one of the most underrated defensemen in the league.

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I have always liked Smid. Alzner is talented and young. And will continue to get better, but I like Smid if I had to choose.

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Close but Alzner

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