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04-07-2012, 03:24 PM
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Andrew Shaw and consistency.

I find this pretty interesting..

His statistics are almost exactly the same in the NHL, AHL and OHL over the past 2 seasons and are pretty close his previous 3 seasons.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=116081

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I just wonder if he could have maintained his scoring over an 82 game season. Adjusted totals would be something like 26 goals, 24 assists for him, which would put him 3rd overall for rookies and 1st in goals. Even if he finished around 20/20, that would be incredible for a "19th round pick" as Kaner would say.

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I just wonder if he could have maintained his scoring over an 82 game season. Adjusted totals would be something like 26 goals, 24 assists for him, which would put him 3rd overall for rookies and 1st in goals. Even if he finished around 20/20, that would be incredible for a "19th round pick" as Kaner would say.
Well hes already put on quite a feat considering he was drafted in 11? in the 6th round.

He was drafted 9 months ago today and now he is about to play in the Stanley Cup playoffs...

Not to mention he's been playing fantastic.

He must have been a Scotty pick...

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Well hes already put on quite a feat considering he was drafted in 10? in the 6th round.

He wasn't even drafted 18 months ago today and now he is about to play in the Stanley Cup playoffs...

Not to mention he's been playing fantastic.

He must have been a Scotty pick...
5th round, 2011. 139th overall. His last year of eligibility after being passed over previous 2 years.

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He's played at a high level over a number of games that shows he isn't just riding a hot streak. He's NHL material. Whether that's as a fourth line plugger or an elite third liner is yet to be seen.

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He's played at a high level over a number of games that shows he isn't just riding a hot streak. He's NHL material. Whether that's as a fourth line plugger or an elite third liner is yet to be seen.
Hell, at this point I would put him at LW with Kane and Hossa...he has been more of a net presence than Brunette IMO.

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Hell, at this point I would put him at LW with Kane and Hossa...he has been more of a net presence than Brunette IMO.
Totally agree with this.

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Kid's a stud, he won't be this year's Ben Smith either. He is very consistent. Just my opinion though.

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Hell, at this point I would put him at LW with Kane and Hossa...he has been more of a net presence than Brunette IMO.
I wouldn't. It would take away from the cohesiveness that is Bickell/Bolland/Shaw. They are gelling quite nicely.

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I wouldn't. It would take away from the cohesiveness that is Bickell/Bolland/Shaw. They are gelling quite nicely.
I agree with this, though I can't forget I said the same thing about Bickell/Bolland/Frolik, but that was before aliens abducted Michael Frolik and gave him a lobotomy. I am glad that the aliens returned Bryan Bickell to us, though.

I think if Shaw is developed properly, he could become a replacement to center the third line should Bolland be traded or lost to free agency in a couple years. His FO% is comparable to Bolland, and he definitely has a bit of the rat in him.

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I agree with this, though I can't forget I said the same thing about Bickell/Bolland/Frolik, but that was before aliens abducted Michael Frolik and gave him a lobotomy. I am glad that the aliens returned Bryan Bickell to us, though.

I think if Shaw is developed properly, he could become a replacement to center the third line should Bolland be traded or lost to free agency in a couple years. His FO% is comparable to Bolland, and he definitely has a bit of the rat in him.
He could definitely be a potential Bolly replacement later... but really I'd like to keep them both. Stick maybe Bollig on the line and you have the peskiest checking line in the league?

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What has amazed me about Shaw is how he didn't score more in Junior. Based on his play with the Hawks, he has excellent offensive instincts, it just seems weird that he didn't produce more as a junior.

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He could definitely be a potential Bolly replacement later... but really I'd like to keep them both. Stick maybe Bollig on the line and you have the peskiest checking line in the league?
Maybe in a year or two. But, I'm pretty happy with having Bollig on a line with Mayers and Hayes.

And keep Frolik OFF the playoff roster!
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What has amazed me about Shaw is how he didn't score more in Junior. Based on his play with the Hawks, he has excellent offensive instincts, it just seems weird that he didn't produce more as a junior.
He made great improvements each year playing for Owen Sound, and he proved he got up for playoff games much more than regular season games, which bodes well for him playing in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

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What has amazed me about Shaw is how he didn't score more in Junior. Based on his play with the Hawks, he has excellent offensive instincts, it just seems weird that he didn't produce more as a junior.
Shaw was by no means a 16 year old superstar. He's been one of those guys who gets better each year. Very hard working and determined player. From where he was last year to this year, you can tell he is a guy who trained his tail off and focused in on doing what he needed to do to become a good professional hockey player.

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I was real skeptical after he had that patch of bad games where he was trying to do too much and got sent down. Been much better lately.

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Shaw was by no means a 16 year old superstar. He's been one of those guys who gets better each year. Very hard working and determined player. From where he was last year to this year, you can tell he is a guy who trained his tail off and focused in on doing what he needed to do to become a good professional hockey player.
I attended Prospect Camp 3 of the 5 days last summer, and Andrew Shaw is the guy who stuck out more than anyone to me personally.

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A little more on Shaw, he was an 11th round OHL Draft selection in 2007. He didn't make the OHL in 2007-2008 as a 16 year old, playing AAA hockey. He has come a long way but I don't think he's going to be content now that he's made the NHL (looking at you Bryan Bickell). His future? Hard to say. Seems like a grinder but is producing well on our third line. This offseason I expect him to continue to work on developing his skating and also to focus better on his defensive awareness and positioning (although this has improved tremendously from when he first came up).

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A little more on Shaw, he was an 11th round OHL Draft selection in 2007. He didn't make the OHL in 2007-2008 as a 16 year old, playing AAA hockey. He has come a long way but I don't think he's going to be content now that he's made the NHL (looking at you Bryan Bickell). His future? Hard to say. Seems like a grinder but is producing well on our third line. This offseason I expect him to continue to work on developing his skating and also to focus better on his defensive awareness and positioning (although this has improved tremendously from when he first came up).
As is expected when he's playing on a line with Dave Bolland, who is one of the best on the team when it comes to defensive awareness.

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I attended Prospect Camp 3 of the 5 days last summer, and Andrew Shaw is the guy who stuck out more than anyone to me personally.
I got to see him 2 days. I think it was the last day during the scrimmage that was really the only day I noticed him. I don't put to much stock into the rookie camps. The guys drafted in rounds 1 & 2 usually play relaxed. There are usually 2 or 3 guys that feel disrespected and play with edge.

Overall, Shaw's size didn't really make me notice him. He took apart D. Olsen pretty easily and D. Olsen has 25 pounds on him. I just thought wow kid can fight!!

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I find this pretty interesting..

His statistics are almost exactly the same in the NHL, AHL and OHL over the past 2 seasons and are pretty close his previous 3 seasons.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=116081
I agree very similar numbers everywhere he has played.

If we combined his NHL & AHL goals this season he would be the leading goal scorer in Rockford for this year. Not bad he seems to improve every year, but if he stays the same we can expect close to 40 points next season.

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Shaw's the kind of player you need to have crop up every couple of years unexpectedly to remain successful and competitive without putting yourself in cap hell. A guy who's drafted in the middle to later rounds that just develops into a serviceable (or better if they continue to develop as such) NHL player that can replace other younger guys you had that have earned raises that you can no longer afford or choose not to afford. Picks/players like him are essential to maintaining that kind of stability over years and years.

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Shaw was by no means a 16 year old superstar. He's been one of those guys who gets better each year. Very hard working and determined player.
I am a huge Shaw fan right now. I think he does a lot of blue collar work this team needs. Works hard in front and along the boards and will stand up to just about anyone. I'm just wondering what everyone thinks his potential is? Is he at best a third line guy who produces 20/20 a year or does he show us something more and score more every year? I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks...

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He must have been a Scotty pick...
I think he was more of a pick from former London Knights Assistant GM and now Chicago scout Jim McKellar. Knights/Attack played in the playoffs last year and Shaw was quite the **** disturber, which I'm sure caught McKellar's attention and followed him through the rest of Owen Sound's playoff run.

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hard worker, was worried that it was only 3 good weeks and then he comes back down to earth. Still a lot to learn and to prove. Let's hope he can keep this level

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I am a huge Shaw fan right now. I think he does a lot of blue collar work this team needs. Works hard in front and along the boards and will stand up to just about anyone. I'm just wondering what everyone thinks his potential is? Is he at best a third line guy who produces 20/20 a year or does he show us something more and score more every year? I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks...
I can see him as a 20/20 guy easily. Quenneville gives him PP time and he is pretty good at using his small frame 175#'s plays like 195's. I don't see him ever being more than a 50PTs type of player. He already has good net presence and posture when he gets upto 190lbs I wouldn't be shocked if he played on a 2nd line for an emerging team. No doubt he can fill in a top 6 role for injuries.

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