They throw those names out because they have no idea what a good prospect pool looks like. The Canucks have a bad pool as well but it's still better than Calgary's and especially through the years it's proven that.
When they miss the playoffs for the next few seasons and end up drafting high and getting real prospects, they'll understand how dire their situation really was.
I like to compare it to when the Oilers had Gagner, Cogliano and Nilsson as their prospects.
Compare that to Eberle, RNH, Paajarvi, Hall etc and it's not even remotely close.
Not a single Flames fan is putting our prospects on the same level as Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi, or Nugent-Hopkins. Of course the Flames prospect pool looks bad compared to those four players, they haven't been drafting 1st overall.
The reason most of us are happy about guys like Ferland, Gadreau, and Holland (when he was still a Flames prospect) is that they are guys that are getting attention outside of the Flames fanbase. With guys like Howse and Wahl it was only Flames fans hyping them up. Ferland and Gaudreau are showing a lot of promise with one having been a high risk high reward prospect that so far has shown the ability to adapt to the NCAA and looks to have grown since being drafted (happened with Brodie?).
The argument that we wouldn't know what a good prospect pool would look like is ridiculous. There are 30 teams in this league. If you don't think that we can look at other teams and see what they have then I have no reason to believe that you have looked at our prospect pool and learned what each players strengths/weaknesses/potential is.
I can easily use your argument against you. When was the last time the Canucks had a deep prospect pool?
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Fellow Oiler fans, there is no need to come in here and dump on the Flames.
They will get their fill of suffering soon enough.
We should save the finger pointing and laughing until we actually occupy a position from which we can point down at the Flames instead of up at in the standings.
Regardless of what happens your team still openly tanked. Shameful. Don't try to act like it was entirely injuries either. The Oil Change documentary is enough to dispute that. Regardless of who your team drafts you still have the same bad management as before.
Regardless of what happens your team still openly tanked. Shameful. Don't try to act like it was entirely injuries either. The Oil Change documentary is enough to dispute that.
Save it. I don't believe a single Oilers fan cares how "shameful" you think re-building is. We'll just enjoy the hockey that Hall, RNH, Eberle, and Grigorenko/Murray will play in copper and blue for the foreseeable future. How "shameful"
Save it. I don't believe a single Oilers fan cares how "shameful" you think re-building is. We'll just enjoy the hockey that Hall, RNH, Eberle, and Grigorenko/Murray will play in copper and blue for the foreseeable future. How "shameful"
If you can't see why its shameful to tank then you're too far gone.
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The surefire sign of a future NHL all-star, "he even scored a lacrosse goal".
Just saw this post. Awesome how you ignored the important content of his post and just picked that statement to use against Granlund. Fantastic work.
Not a single Flames fan is putting our prospects on the same level as Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi, or Nugent-Hopkins. Of course the Flames prospect pool looks bad compared to those four players, they haven't been drafting 1st overall.
The reason most of us are happy about guys like Ferland, Gadreau, and Holland (when he was still a Flames prospect) is that they are guys that are getting attention outside of the Flames fanbase. With guys like Howse and Wahl it was only Flames fans hyping them up. Ferland and Gaudreau are showing a lot of promise with one having been a high risk high reward prospect that so far has shown the ability to adapt to the NCAA and looks to have grown since being drafted (happened with Brodie?).
The argument that we wouldn't know what a good prospect pool would look like is ridiculous. There are 30 teams in this league. If you don't think that we can look at other teams and see what they have then I have no reason to believe that you have looked at our prospect pool and learned what each players strengths/weaknesses/potential is.
Regardless of what happens your team still openly tanked. Shameful. Don't try to act like it was entirely injuries either. The Oil Change documentary is enough to dispute that. Regardless of who your team drafts you still have the same bad management as before.
thats your opinion and you are entitled to it, if they were tanking why didn't they play the goalie with one win since dec 26 instead of Dubnyk? Professional atheletes don't play to lose, maybe management sets them up for it but the guys on the ice try to win.
enjoy the remarks from posters over the coming years about how your team loses games on purpose to draft well, perhaps you would prefer the oilers to trade away their first round picks for veterans off of other teams the way the Flames have, not sure its working so hot for you guys. Its why they call it a rebuild instead of a retool.
thats your opinion and you are entitled to it, if they were tanking why didn't they play the goalie with one win since dec 26 instead of Dubnyk? Professional atheletes don't play to lose, maybe management sets them up for it but the guys on the ice try to win.
enjoy the remarks from posters over the coming years about how your team loses games on purpose to draft well, perhaps you would prefer the oilers to trade away their first round picks for veterans off of other teams the way the Flames have, not sure its working so hot for you guys. Its why they call it a rebuild instead of a retool.
The Flames only draft without a first round pick was 2010 which was 2 years ago under a different general manager. That same general manager was obsessed with trading down in the first round. Feaster has shown nothing to indicate that his plan to trade any firsts.
If the Flames do manage to end up in the bottom 5 teams it will not be due to tanking and the management and owners will not embrace the losing attitude in the same manner that the Oilers management and owner has. They will only end up drafting in the top 5 if Irving busts which isn't looking very likely at this point.
Trading Iginla is not going to sink the Flames to the bottom of the league.
If you can't see why its shameful to tank then you're too far gone.
I'm truly sorry to tell you this, but once again, no one cares.
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Just saw this post. Awesome how you ignored the important content of his post and just picked that statement to use against Granlund. Fantastic work.
I ignored it because it was pointless drivel. There's a reason every single analyst in the world would place the Flames in the bottom third of the league in terms of prospects. But keep telling yourself that they're a talented bunch!
They will only end up drafting in the top 5 if Irving busts which isn't looking very likely at this point
And at this point he's proven nothing more than being an above average AHL goaltender...
I would have much more faith in a goalie like Dubnyk, and that's not saying much at all.
I'm truly sorry to tell you this, but once again, no one cares.
I ignored it because it was pointless drivel. There's a reason every single analyst in the world would place the Flames in the bottom third of the league in terms of prospects. But keep telling yourself that they're a talented bunch!
Which recent rankings have the Flames in the bottom third of the league? I'm just going to wait on HF to release their spring rankings.
Edit: Even if they are in the bottom third, they've shown to be drafting a lot better. Even if they don't have the prospects right now, from what they've shown the last few years they're much better.
Not a single Flames fan is putting our prospects on the same level as Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi, or Nugent-Hopkins. Of course the Flames prospect pool looks bad compared to those four players, they haven't been drafting 1st overall.
I think the point you're missing is that you'd be lucky if any of those guys even turned into a Cogliano, Nilsson and at the top end, Gagner.
When you actually have elite prospects, you wont have to sit here and try to convince others (and subconsciously yourself) that your prospects are good.
I havent seen a single Oiler fan have to defend his prospect pool in the past couple years.
Which recent rankings have the Flames in the bottom third of the league?
Hockey's future (bottom 5), Bleacher Report (last), Hockey Prospectus (bottom 5), The Hockey News (2nd last). Do you want me to continue? That took me 2 minutes to research, I'm sure I could find a rather large consensus if you gave me some time.
I think the point you're missing is that you'd be lucky if any of those guys even turned into a Cogliano, Nilsson and at the top end, Gagner.
When you actually have elite prospects, you wont have to sit here and try to convince others (and subconsciously yourself) that your prospects are good.
I havent seen a single Oiler fan have to defend his prospect pool in the past couple years.
My point would be that a prospect does not have to be on the same level as RNH or Hall in order to be good.
Hockey's future (bottom 5), Bleacher Report (last), Hockey Prospectus (bottom 5), The Hockey News (2nd last). Do you want me to continue? That took me 2 minutes to research, I'm sure I could find a rather large consensus if you gave me some time.
Hockey's Future - November 22, 2011 - went from 29th to 26th in one draft, waiting on updated rankings to see any changes
Bleacher Report - recent, but you know somethings wrong with a set of rankings when they have Greg Nemisz as the second best prospect. Don't bother trying to use that against me, it's simply wrong.
Hockey Prospectus - July 8th, 2011 - apparently Max Reinhart and Chris Breen are the Flames only prospects worth noting.
Couldn't find THN's rankings.
Again, even if the Flames prospect pool as it is now is 25th or 26th in the league, they are still showing to be a better drafting team. The posters on this website are acting like the Flames have made no improvement in any way in the last three years or even the last year. They may be in year three of having missed the playoffs but I'm predicting now they'll be close to making it if not in by 2015. Two more years of missing left at the most. They're not going to be awful for 5 more years.
Hockey's Future - November 22, 2011 - went from 29th to 26th in one draft, waiting on updated rankings to see any changes
Bleacher Report - recent, but you know somethings wrong with a set of rankings when they have Greg Nemisz as the second best prospect. Don't bother trying to use that against me, it's simply wrong.
Hockey Prospectus - July 8th, 2011 - apparently Max Reinhart and Chris Breen are the Flames only prospects worth noting.
Couldn't find THN's rankings.
Again, even if the Flames prospect pool as it is now is 25th or 26th in the league, they are still showing to be a better drafting team.
You asked, and I answered. I fail to see what your argument is...
How are they showing to be a better drafting team? Because you feel like their recent draft picks are playing good on their junior teams? Guess what! Every fanbase does that. Call me again in 3 years when most of these guys are plugging away on the third line in the AHL.
You asked, and I answered. I fail to see what your argument is...
How are they showing to be a better drafting team? Because you feel like their recent draft picks are playing good on their junior teams? Guess what! Every fanbase does that. Call me again in 3 years when most of these guys are plugging away on the third line in the AHL.
They may possibly be playing on a NHL Flames team that has little to no depth and is bottom feeding.
You might be one of the biggest haters on the internet.
Calgary has two players that won the NCAA Championship this year. Gaudreau is a great prospect, regardless of his size. He was an impact player this year as a rookie. Markus Granlund is rookie of the year in Finland. He even scored a lacrosse goal, just because his brother did and he wanted to prove that he could too. Michael Ferland scored 47 goals this year while beating the crap outta people. These are just a few of Calgary's good prospects, all of which we picked up outside of the 1st round. If that trend continues Calgary will be looking real good in the near future. A future lineup of Ferland-Arnold-Aliu spells bad news for the Oilers I can tell you that much.
Hilarious....honestly objective sources label your prospects as bad .....you have Sven and then you have probably a lot of potential scrubs....but hey...continue to keep wearing those homer glasses whilst we watch Calgary's slow descent to the bottom of the league in the coming years!
This is true, if you'd like to disregard the fact that one of the two goalies had much superior numbers, led his team to the Calder Cup Finals, and won the Goaltender of the Year award. Not like those are big accomplishments worth note in a comparison or anything...
I never said he was as good as him but he is being developed right the same way Schnieder was. The Heat are a much worse team than the Moose when Schnieder was there but I am still not saying Irving will be as good just that he is being developed right but I guess you are use to the fact that if someone isn't in the nhl by 20 they are a bust.
You asked, and I answered. I fail to see what your argument is...
How are they showing to be a better drafting team? Because you feel like their recent draft picks are playing good on their junior teams? Guess what! Every fanbase does that. Call me again in 3 years when most of these guys are plugging away on the third line in the AHL.
The arguement is that the rankings you pointed to are largely outdated. Since then the Flames have acquired several new prospects and several prospects have leaped forward in a major way.
The arguement is that the rankings you pointed to are largely outdated. Since then the Flames have acquired several new prospects and several prospects have leaped forward in a major way.
Yet, I'm going to bet my left hand that all of these rankings would still have them in the bottom third, which was exactly what I said originally.
It's really pathetic that the so called sports fans around here think losing trumps winning.
Bunch of shameless kids who think if you aren't in the top 3 of the conference, you should be throwing every game to try and get the #1 pick. I have respect for every Edmonton fan who absolutely hates where they are every year, that I can identify with as a Habs fan after this year. I have absolutely no respect for the Edmonton fans who cheer their team on to lose and celebrate picking in the Top 3 every year. No pride, why do you even cheer for a team? I don't care if you're "building for the future", that future can EASILY never come and meanwhile you've made a mockery out of the team you supposedly love. Just as bad are the Habs and Leafs fans that hopped the playoff bandwagon the second the teams fell a few points out and starting rooting for the loss every night. Disgraceful.
I never said he was as good as him but he is being developed right the same way Schnieder was. The Heat are a much worse team than the Moose when Schnieder was there but I am still not saying Irving will be as good just that he is being developed right but I guess you are use to the fact that if someone isn't in the nhl by 20 they are a bust. 
