Seguin has skills that cannot be taught, otherwise Julien would teach guys like Thorton to skate and shoot like Tyler. Whether Seguin dressed for every game or sat some, whether he played 10 minutes a game or 20, his skills would still assure his progression as a great player. All a coach really has to do is the basics with a talent like this and then send him over the boards. God gifted talents not Julien developed. Any other NHL coach would still see Seguin's talents emerging...maybe SLIGHTLY more, maybe SLIGHTLY less in a few cases but predominately along the same curve...don't kid yourself otherwise. Product of 99% genetics and hard work on Segs part and 1% the product of Julien's doing. It says here that to this day Julien still does not give Seguin enough ice time...look at the ice time given other Bruin forwards and especially that of other teams leading point producers..ie Giroux and St. Louis just as examples.
Just for the sake of discussion - Kessel's high season came with playing alongside of Lucic (who cleared everyone out of Kessel's way) and Marc "I literally have eyes in the back of my head, and this isn't just a mother saying that to scare her kids" Savard.
Seguin has skills that cannot be taught, otherwise Julien would teach guys like Thorton to skate and shoot like Tyler. Whether Seguin dressed for every game or sat some, whether he played 10 minutes a game or 20, his skills would still assure his progression as a great player. All a coach really has to do is the basics with a talent like this and then send him over the boards. God gifted talents not Julien developed. Any other NHL coach would still see Seguin's talents emerging...maybe SLIGHTLY more, maybe SLIGHTLY less in a few cases but predominately along the same curve...don't kid yourself otherwise. Product of 99% genetics and hard work on Segs part and 1% the product of Julien's doing. It says here that to this day Julien still does not give Seguin enough ice time...look at the ice time given other Bruin forwards and especially that of other teams leading point producers..ie Giroux and St. Louis just as examples.
You actually believe that?
Seguin himself has said Julien (and the assistant coaches, and his teammates, especially Bergeron and Recchi) taught him how to be an NHL player, and that he learned a staggering amount last year. And, to his credit, he has said he still has a long way to go, especially if he wants to match Bergeron, who he's trying to model himself after.
You don't just throw a teenager over the boards and give him unlimited ice time and watch him become a complete NHL player.
Total goals Kessel beats Seguin by a good margin.
But even strength, it's 27 for Kessel, 24 for Seguin. Slim pickin's there.
Was hoping he would get 30 on the year, I held my breath as he loaded up for the shot in the OT.
Seguin himself has said Julien (and the assistant coaches, and his teammates, especially Bergeron and Recchi) taught him how to be an NHL player, and that he learned a staggering amount last year. And, to his credit, he has said he still has a long way to go, especially if he wants to match Bergeron, who he's trying to model himself after.
You don't just throw a teenager over the boards and give him unlimited ice time and watch him become a complete NHL player.
To be honest, I believe coaching pros is a lot different than teaching high schoolers or junior A. Julien isn't teaching them how to play hockey, he's teaching them how to play against match ups using the skills they already have. And about Seguin modeling himself after Bergeron? I'd rather he not take a huge hit to his offensive game to make up for his defensive game. If he maintains/improves his offense while beefing up the defense, I'd be more than happy.
As for Claude Julien ruining him, he would be if he kept Seguin on the 3rd line at 10 minutes a night. I'm glad he didn't do this.
Great season, but I'm still mad Claude didn't give Seguin much of a chance in OT. Even Belichick went out of his way to help Gronk in the last game of the season!
Seguin almost OUT PRODUCED Kessel this year in terms of points per minute played. It was neck and neck up until the end with Seguin passing Kessel a few times late, but Kessel put up some points in his last handful of games to give him the win.
It would of been nice to make a thread saying that Seguin was a more prolific point producer this season than Kessel. :-)
Not only for us fans, but for Seguin as well.
Just imagine being drafted into that hotbed of hockey with no real support while your trying to find your game in the bigs. Landing with the Bruins was one stroke of luck for Mr. Seguin I'd say!
Just for the sake of discussion - Kessel's high season came with playing alongside of Lucic (who cleared everyone out of Kessel's way) and Marc "I literally have eyes in the back of my head, and this isn't just a mother saying that to scare her kids" Savard.
Seguin plays with Bergeron and Marchand.
I'll take Bergeron and Marchand 6 days a. Week and twice on Sundays over Savard @ Lucic
I noticed that, he's a similar player to Tavares, his play is speedier with more of a rattlesnake shot tho while Tavares is a high end Krejci type
So now that he has 29 goals and 38 assists, I think he'll put some more weight on over the summer, keeping getting more physical on the ice and finish next year with 36 goals and 46 assists
Speed aside, Seguin's skating looks to be a lot higher quality than Tavares', no?
I find Tavares's shooting style to be stronger and more powerful than Seguin's...but there's something about Seguin's approach which seems more sophisticated.
I'll take Bergeron and Marchand 6 days a. Week and twice on Sundays over Savard @ Lucic
You really think that Bergeron and Marchand as a combo had a greater offensive influence on Seguin than Savard and Lucic had on Kessel? We're talking strictly offensive production here, not all around game.
Seguin almost OUT PRODUCED Kessel this year in terms of points per minute played. It was neck and neck up until the end with Seguin passing Kessel a few times late, but Kessel put up some points in his last handful of games to give him the win.
It would of been nice to make a thread saying that Seguin was a more prolific point producer this season than Kessel. :-)
The Seguin/Kessel fight is an easy one for you to win...because I can almost guarantee that if Seguin had been drafted by Toronto they would have found some way to ruin him. He would probably currently be playing for Plymouth because he wasn't deemed "tough enough" to have the privilege of joining the Leafs and the incredibly elite team they've put out there recently.
With that said, Kessel has worked out well for the Leafs (and, I get the impression, fits in better in Toronto than he did with the Bruins). I won't say he's been any sort of disappointment for the Leafs.
It's easy to look at Seguin and Hamilton and think it would be nice if Toronto had them...but given our atrocious recent history with prospects, I doubt they'd be given the opportunity in Toronto that they're getting in Boston
it's kind of crazy to think that Seguin led the team with 67 points as a 20 year old, and Barry Pederson scored 92 points for the Bruins as a 20-year-old rookie in 1982 and didn't lead the team, falling 2 points shy of Nifty's 94. Still, a nice honor for Tyler and one of many milestones to come for him, I'm sure.
You really think that Bergeron and Marchand as a combo had a greater offensive influence on Seguin than Savard and Lucic had on Kessel? We're talking strictly offensive production here, not all around game.
YES they did!
Marchand and Bergeron are very underrated offensively and the proof was in the SC playoff run last season....go check!
At crunch time, this Seguin/Bergeron/Marchand line will be lethal.
Now nobody talks about the remarkable +/- on that line:
Bergeron: +36
Seguin: +34
Marchand:+31
And it gives me shivers just to read that this is all about the remarkable progress Seguin made defensively.
That defensive performance is the BEST in the NHL this season for a forward line and it is the product of Bergeron and his leadership.
Meanwhile Krejci ended at a staggering -6..........
I don't want to start the comparison game again, but it has become evident to me that Bergeron was the greatest mentor to Seguin's game since his coming to the Bruins.
Seguin will become a superstar in this League due to the influence he got from Bergeron and Julien....make no quibble about it and Seguin himself admits it.
Kessel scorexd only 19 goals and 18 assists for 37 points in his second season. It looks like Seguin's progress is far ahead of Kessels. Im thinking 40 goals next season.
