He's saying that it was ridiculous for MinnesotaFats to call hiring Nelson a failure before he even coaches a game with the Oilers.
Never said Nelson was a failure. Said it was a bad decision.
The failure comment refers to management and ownership, and the fact that blame is being misplaced yet again. I don't like Renney, but for him to lose his job because of poor management and perssonel decisions is wrong. It sends the message that failure is acceptable from top down. The Oilers would have been better off with the EIG rather than Katz, his money, and his buds Lowe and Tambo.
Buckle in Oiler fans: until these clowns are gone, we are living in Disney World. Mickey ****ing Mouse land.
Never said Nelson was a failure. Said it was a bad decision.
The failure comment refers to management and ownership, and the fact that blame is being misplaced yet again. I don't like Renney, but for him to lose his job because of poor management and perssonel decisions is wrong. It sends the message that failure is acceptable from top down. The Oilers would have been better off with the EIG rather than Katz, his money, and his buds Lowe and Tambo.
Buckle in Oiler fans: until these clowns are gone, we are living in Disney World. Mickey ****ing Mouse land.
I think they expected more improvement this year with some veteran additions and expected the team to have an identity by now. Renney failed miserably in that regard.
It's not fair to condemn Nelson to failureism just because Tambellini made a mistake with Renney. Nelson is familiar with the organization and he kept that team on top of the league despite having his best players poached by the big club all throughout the year due to a bunch of injuries. Chances are that another team will snatch Nelson away if the Oilers wait too long, might as well give him a chance now.
I think they expected more improvement this year with some veteran additions and expected the team to have an identity by now. Renney failed miserably in that regard.
It's not fair to condemn Nelson to failureism just because Tambellini made a mistake with Renney. Nelson is familiar with the organization and he kept that team on top of the league despite having his best players poached by the big club all throughout the year due to a bunch of injuries. Chances are that another team will snatch Nelson away if the Oilers wait too long, might as well give him a chance now.
I'll buy into all the rationale you've laid out, and follow up with two questions:
1) why is tambo still around?
2) why would you trust tambo's coaching selection decisions?
I'll buy into all the rationale you've laid out, and follow up with two questions:
1) why is tambo still around?
2) why would you trust tambo's coaching selection decisions?
1) Because this was a long term project. The real grunt work is still ahead of him, he deserves 1 more year to see what comes from the fruits of his labor. This will be Year 3 in '12-'13 of the official rebuild. That should be the target year to play meaningful games in March and battle for a playoff spot. This was supposed to be a development year to find a team identity and build team chemistry and Renney failed at that as i said before.
2) No, not really but Nelson deserves a shot. It might be a year too early for him but as i said earlier, he would likely be gone if Tambo waited another year to anoint him and it would be a tough pill to swallow to see him become a Bylsma or Dineen for another team and since he's familiar with the organization it kind of makes sense IMO.
I would prefer a vet like Ruff or Quenneville but i don't know if those guys come here.
Sure Tambo needs to take his share of the blame but Renney has made some boneheaded decisions this year. His management of the young players this year has fallen short of expectations.
1) Because this was a long term project. The real grunt work is still ahead of him, he deserves 1 more year to see what comes from the fruits of his labor. This will be Year 3 in '12-'13 of the official rebuild. That should be the target year to play meaningful games in March and battle for a playoff spot. This was supposed to be a development year to find a team identity and build team chemistry and Renney failed at that as i said before.
2) No, not really but Nelson deserves a shot. It might be a year too early for him but as i said earlier, he would likely be gone if Tambo waited another year to anoint him and it would be a tough pill to swallow to see him become a Bylsma or Dineen for another team and since he's familiar with the organization it kind of makes sense IMO.
I would prefer a vet like Ruff or Quenneville but i don't know if those guys come here.
1) I used to think that, but I've seen enough from Tambo at this point to know that he's a blind man walking in a snow storm at midnight. Ten or 15 years ago tambo might have been OK in this league. But times have changed: just like players have changed and evolved, so has the business and management side. Unfortunately for tambo, he's an ECHL talent. I don't need another year of bumbling to decide his worth.
2) maybe Nelson deserves a shot and maybe another team would snap him up if we don't promote him. But this team needs to win and improve next year. We need a coach who isn't a shot in the dark. We need a proven guy that has a track record of helping high powered offenses win. and most of all, we need someone other than tambo building the team that is going to play for whoever coaches.
I know this: Tambo being responsible for assembling next years team means that any new coach is, at worst doomed to a lottery team, and at best, saddled with a team that struggles to be mediocre. The latter will require a new coach to be a coach of the year candidate.
1) Because this was a long term project. The real grunt work is still ahead of him, he deserves 1 more year to see what comes from the fruits of his labor. This will be Year 3 in '12-'13 of the official rebuild. That should be the target year to play meaningful games in March and battle for a playoff spot. This was supposed to be a development year to find a team identity and build team chemistry and Renney failed at that as i said before.
2) No, not really but Nelson deserves a shot. It might be a year too early for him but as i said earlier, he would likely be gone if Tambo waited another year to anoint him and it would be a tough pill to swallow to see him become a Bylsma or Dineen for another team and since he's familiar with the organization it kind of makes sense IMO. I would prefer a vet like Ruff or Quenneville but i don't know if those guys come here.
What sort of GM is Tambo? When it comes to the coach, is Tambo hands on or hands off? One thing that works so much in your favour is the fact you've got such a promising and elite young core. I would think that might be very attractive for a coach - but is Tambo the type who lets the coach do his thing...or is he like Burke and constantly has his finger prints over everything?
Sorry...I follow your team's play b/c you have some really impressive players, but I'm not really on the up and up with the minutiae of the organization.
You know, if Nelson is the guy, from the limited amount I know about his work in OKC, he seems like a rather straightforward person. If you aren't playing well, he flat out will say it and if I recall correctly he has benched people for poor play.
He was the right coach the past couple years, but his tenure should be over. Strong communicator and developmental coach, but he won't be the one to take this team to the next level.
Very hopeful about Nelson, but it's a cautious optimism.
He should pre-empt the org and say he refuses to re-sign. I'm no huge Renney fan, but with the roster he was given and the publicly stated expectations that they wanted to make the playoffs, he was doomed for failure. Under a really good coach this team could've maybe finished with 80-84 points MAX. Hell, Renney could've finished with that if he didn't have to rely on either mistake-prone kids or buttplugs as his secondary options at many points this season, especially when injuries hit.
He was set up for failure from the get-go, and while I don't think he has the room's ear any longer, I still think he should go out with some personal dignity and publicly raise the question: "exactly what would you have realistically expected me to do with these kids, spare parts, and veterans past their prime? My work speaks for itself in every other job I've had, so maybe it's not just me." The Oilers have basically assured that he won't get another head coaching gig in the NHL, so I'd be furious about that alone and refuse to take all the blame for this sinking ship.
Andy Greene-Mark Fayne
Bryce Salvador-Marek Zidlicky
Anton Volchenkov-Adam Larsson
It's New Jersey's. How are they in the playoffs with this? I don't know but it's probably due to good coaching. Something we haven't got from Renney. Coaching is half the battle people. He doesn't know how to use the kids and doesn't know how to use the vets. His time is up.
Sure Tambo needs to take his share of the blame but Renney has made some boneheaded decisions this year. His management of the young players this year has fallen short of expectations.
Yea, because Eberle, RNH, Hall, and Petry were horrible this year. Its hard to make chicken soup out of chicken ****! Both Renney and Tambo need to go, but if I could chose only one to turf it'd be that useless butt plug Tambo!
Andy Greene-Mark Fayne
Bryce Salvador-Marek Zidlicky
Anton Volchenkov-Adam Larsson
It's New Jersey's. How are they in the playoffs with this? I don't know but it's probably due to good coaching. Something we haven't got from Renney. Coaching is half the battle people. He doesn't know how to use the kids and doesn't know how to use the vets. His time is up.
By the looks of it, NJ has 4 above average, veteran defensemen there, and a very high end defensive prospect in Larsson. No real impressive names, but experience wins games, and the Oilers are trotting far worse players on a nightly basis.
sweet deal, fourth coach in four years next season.
Does that not worry anyone else?
*sarcastic response*
Worked out pretty good for the Oakland Raiders.
*non-sarcastic response*
To be honest I'm not sure. Ottawa is on what, their 2nd HC in 3 seasons? They are in the playoffs. Montreal is on their 3rd in 4 years (I believe), and they are a mess.
I think it depends on the roster and how well your coaches philosophy fits that roster. The Sens had a 1st line C (Spezza), good wingers, good grit and an adequate D. Their current coach (Who has a superb moustache), fits their team really well. He put in a system that maximizes the their rosters strengths quite well, and really brings out their best 5v5.
The opposite kinda happened with Montreal.
We need to give players to whomever our next coach is that actually fit his system. Renney had a preferred system that he tried to force on us all year, and it obviously didn't work. In his defense, he probably needed certain type of players to work with, and he didn't get them. Hopefully who ever the next coach is gets that sort of support.
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By the looks of it, NJ has 4 above average, veteran defensemen there, and a very high end defensive prospect in Larsson. No real impressive names, but experience wins games, and the Oilers are trotting far worse players on a nightly basis.
We have Smid, who has been one of the best pure shutdown defenders in the league this season and Petry who has shown great upside as well as Schultz, who's another reliable shutdown guy. Larsson hasn't been that good in the past little while. He was a healthy scratch 5 games in row at one point. Their defense is a little better but not by as much as the standings show.
To be honest I'm not sure. Ottawa is on what, their 2nd HC in 3 seasons? They are in the playoffs. Montreal is on their 3rd in 4 years (I believe), and they are a mess.
I think it depends on the roster and how well your coaches philosophy fits that roster. The Sens had a 1st line C (Spezza), good wingers, good grit and an adequate D. Their current coach (Who has a superb moustache), fits their team really well. He put in a system that maximizes the their rosters strengths quite well, and really brings out their best 5v5.
The opposite kinda happened with Montreal.
We need to give players to whomever our next coach is that actually fit his system. Renney had a preferred system that he tried to force on us all year, and it obviously didn't work. In his defense, he probably needed certain type of players to work with, and he didn't get them. Hopefully who ever the next coach is gets that sort of support.
I've followed the Sens (since they are my #2 team). They are one team that has burned through coaches like it was nothing. From 07, they have gone through at least five different coaches. It's great to see the mustached one doing an awesome job though.
I am a bit worried that the Oilers are starting to go down the same path as well.
To be honest I'm not sure. Ottawa is on what, their 2nd HC in 3 seasons? They are in the playoffs. Montreal is on their 3rd in 4 years (I believe), and they are a mess.
I think it depends on the roster and how well your coaches philosophy fits that roster. The Sens had a 1st line C (Spezza), good wingers, good grit and an adequate D. Their current coach (Who has a superb moustache), fits their team really well. He put in a system that maximizes the their rosters strengths quite well, and really brings out their best 5v5.
The opposite kinda happened with Montreal.
We need to give players to whomever our next coach is that actually fit his system. Renney had a preferred system that he tried to force on us all year, and it obviously didn't work. In his defense, he probably needed certain type of players to work with, and he didn't get them. Hopefully who ever the next coach is gets that sort of support.
So just barely squeaking into the playoffs with a veteran pat lineup is success?
Senators are lucky they've drafted better than Calgary. Or they would be Flames east in coming seasons.
We have Smid, who has been one of the best pure shutdown defenders in the league this season and Petry who has shown great upside as well as Schultz, who's another reliable shutdown guy. Larsson hasn't been that good in the past little while. He was a healthy scratch 5 games in row at one point. Their defense is a little better but not by as much as the standings show.
Only as good as your weakest link, NJ can put a reliable defenseman on every pairing, something the Oilers can only dream of at this point.
Barker(terrible), Sutton(low end at best), Teubert(rookie), Potter(poor defensively), Whitney(slow and ineffective) have all been a major part of the Oiler's lack of success this year.
Smid had a good year(league best? really?), Petry improved leaps and bounds but still has nights where he looks like bambi out there, and aquiring Shultz for average defensively/offensive-less Gilbert was a move in the right direction, but it's not enough.
NJ's defense you listed is easily quite a bit better right now.
I'm at that horrid point where I look at this team and think - no matter what you do to it, no matter who you hire to slap this sandwich together, it's still a **** sandwich.
Maybe it was the game, or maybe it was this season, but this team has sucked all the hockey passion out of me.
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