With the fragile state that this team is in right now, I'm not sure how I feel about giving the reigns to a coach who has such limited experience. But I guess that's why I'm not in the position to make such a decision. In Tambo I trust.
With the fragile state that this team is in right now, I'm not sure how I feel about giving the reigns to a coach who has such limited experience. But I guess that's why I'm not in the position to make such a decision. In Tambo I trust.
Should Nelson even want this job?
lets see, a possible solid job in OKC, milk that a couple more seasons, get an NHL job for a real org.. vs get hoodwinked into this clown outfit for next season, another fail year for the Oilers, coach walks the plank again, is never heard from again.
This is like a guaranteed bad coaching move at this point. Until theres new management in town.
Nelson would do well to look up George Burnett. Sometimes you should just say no and defer the big opportunity.
Burnett was the big rising coaching star that year. Didn't make it till Christmas.
My bet if Tambo stays is Marc Crawford is brought in. Which i dont think would be the worst move this organization has made. It would be a coach with a very different philosphy for sure. He has links to Vancouver, just like Renney and Quinn did.
I remember Burnett. I'm surprised that Sather fired him. Slats seemed to have a relatively good grasp on what he was doing in the mid-90's and it didn't take too long for the team to turn a corner.
I remember Burnett. I'm surprised that Sather fired him. Slats seemed to have a relatively good grasp on what he was doing in the mid-90's and it didn't take too long for the team to turn a corner.
Sather and Fraser had a couple really out there years. Kind of a bit too much celebrating after the glory years. There were a few years of hangover here where nothing went right and of course the god awful draft decisions.
Burnett flew right into that gongshow. Being anywhere near this org in 94 was just a bad idea for anybody.
Sather and Fraser had a couple really out there years. Kind of a bit too much celebrating after the glory years. There were a few years of hangover here where nothing went right and of course the god awful draft decisions.
Burnett flew right into that gongshow. Being anywhere near this org in 94 was just a bad idea for anybody.
Fair enough. I was just 11 in '94 so I just remember that Burnett was here... and then he was gone in the blink of an eye.
Jersey also has a 30+ win goalie in Broduer do they not? and some established stars up front in Kovalchuk and Parise? Henrique isn't too shabby either last time I looked.
The Bad.
Belanger went from a regular 40 pts a year guy to less than 10, Our starting Goalie got all of one win since December 26th, Our enforcers have been castrated, and our European kids have been shuffled to the back of the bus at every opportunity, terrible line juggling, chemistry develops on a line Renney breaks the line up, Smytty overworked till he was out of gas, our captain plays with zero heart and hands of stone, the human play killer, how many sure goals died on his stick this year I hate to think how many games could have gone the other way if he could take a pass. make one or finish,
nobody throws the body apart from Petrell and Hartikainen, zero passion from the coach until game 70, Hemmer, Hall, Whitney all injured or recovering from injury all year, Shanahan cut the balls off of Sutton, which sucked a lot of the tough out of our back end, Peckham, Potter, Barker inconsistent and bled goals against.
The Good
Dubnyk is emerging as our guy,Eberle is a golden god with the puck,
The Nuge isn't far behind him, Hall played his ass off (hurt) and is the Heart of this team, Hartikainen, the Finnish Juggernaut he is going to work out well, Petry way to get it going in the second half, Smid love this guy and his ethic, drop and eat shots all day long, doesn't take stupid penalties and eats minutes every night, Jonesy awesome mullet, put up nice points playing with Ebs and Nuge, need to work on your finish with the puck, love his effort and speed, Petrell nice solid minutes, great on the pk, unafraid to take the body or block shots. Nick Schultz, solid capable stay at home D glad to have this guy on the back end, Improvement in every statistical category with the exception of where we wound up in the standings.
Another Lottery pick, Lets make the best of what I hope to be our last one of these for many many years, and if we are not fighting for a playoff spot this coming year, time for Tambo to hit the road.
there was more than enough bad on Renney's end of the deal IMO for him to be replaced, he isn't the only one that needs blame for this either some for Tambo, and some for many of the guys who play on our team.
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lets see, a possible solid job in OKC, milk that a couple more seasons, get an NHL job for a real org.. vs get hoodwinked into this clown outfit for next season, another fail year for the Oilers, coach walks the plank again, is never heard from again.
This is like a guaranteed bad coaching move at this point. Until theres new management in town.
Nelson would do well to look up George Burnett. Sometimes you should just say no and defer the big opportunity.
Burnett was the big rising coaching star that year. Didn't make it till Christmas.
It's doubtful someone like Nelson with no experience gets a job with an established up and up NHL franchise. Guys coming out of the AHL generally have to start in places like Columbus.
He could very well fail here.
Or he could get lucky and ride the wave of Hall/RNH/Eberle/MPS/Grigorenko-Murray's natural evolution and start eeking out some wins.
Then he'd be set here most likely getting paid what would probably be a very handsome salary (moneybags owner) and a talented team.
You look at the goal differential improvement this year ... it's pretty massive. The Oilers are actually probably fairly lucky to be drafting where they are.
Good riddance. As for Nelson being a bit green, he has been the head man a number of years in the minors and an assistant in the NHL, guy is prime NHL coaching material and if we don't give him a promotion some other team likely will. He's familiar with the organization, its players, and of course his boss. Give him a go and see what happens, hopefully he will add some balls behind the bench because that has been lacking on our head coach since Quinn left.
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lets see, a possible solid job in OKC, milk that a couple more seasons, get an NHL job for a real org.. vs get hoodwinked into this clown outfit for next season, another fail year for the Oilers, coach walks the plank again, is never heard from again.
This is like a guaranteed bad coaching move at this point. Until theres new management in town.
Nelson would do well to look up George Burnett. Sometimes you should just say no and defer the big opportunity.
Burnett was the big rising coaching star that year. Didn't make it till Christmas.
So let's see.....
Huge salary vs. much smaller salary
Realizing your dream vs. hoping that you'll realize your dream and that your team won't suck so that you're never heard from again without fulfilling your dream
Riding planes vs. riding the bus
Getting a chance to show that you can coach and make a difference at the NHL level vs. waiting until Detroit needs a new coach
Taking on a challenge that could end up very rewarding vs. playing it safe and trying not to take on a challenge
We send down Renney to oklahama and bring up Nelson
If we are lucky maybe Cbj claim Renney on waivers
Renney is one of the worst game coaching coaches i have seen in years, i know its about build up players and put them in positions were they get experience and continues to develop, but there are a enough limit for everything and Tom have reached that limit.
It's doubtful someone like Nelson with no experience gets a job with an established up and up NHL franchise. Guys coming out of the AHL generally have to start in places like Columbus.
Well, Renney attempted to make the team competitive by riding the vets.. it failed miserably. A year of development wasted for PRV and possibly for the whole team from defensive standpoint.
the writing on the wall has never been clearer. they need a veteran coach, someone who can utilize Harti's tools and make him an effective top 6. PRV needs to be used as well (unless he is traded this summer). hopefully the Nucks get bounced by LA and AV becomes available.
It's doubtful someone like Nelson with no experience gets a job with an established up and up NHL franchise. Guys coming out of the AHL generally have to start in places like Columbus.
Good riddance. As for Nelson being a bit green, he has been the head man a number of years in the minors and an assistant in the NHL, guy is prime NHL coaching material and if we don't give him a promotion some other team likely will. He's familiar with the organization, its players, and of course his boss. Give him a go and see what happens, hopefully he will add some balls behind the bench because that has been lacking on our head coach since Quinn left.
That's the big problem with hiring a new coach direct from ahl, does he have the balls to look at tape and say from day one. Shawn Horcoff you are a 4th liner and will never see any pp time and only occasional 2nd tier pk time and tell that to the gm who ust hired him?
Not that long ago Renney was quoted as saying there were going to be big changes in team dynamic next year.
AHL coaches are like nhl backup tenders or backup qb's, beware the highy thought of backup.
That's the big problem with hiring a new coach direct from ahl, does he have the balls to look at tape and say from day one. Shawn Horcoff you are a 4th liner and will never see any pp time and only occasional 2nd tier pk time and tell that to the gm who ust hired him?
Not that long ago Renney was quoted as saying there were going to be big changes in team dynamic next year.
AHL coaches are like nhl backup tenders or backup qb's, beware the highy thought of backup.
copy that. there is pressure from management to present Horc as being a top flight player to justify his ridiculous salary and term. the only reason he is captain is to make us believe he is so valuable, that he brings intangibles that do not show up on the score sheet.. that our eyes are wrong.
Rem Murray and Todd Harvey must look at Horcoff's salary and kick themselves.
Renney sealed his doom with the way that last game was coached. Instead of unleashing the kids and playing the hell out of them we got an overdose of Horcoff, Smyth and Belanger.
Thankfully the Oilers can (maybe) buy out Horrible-coff, not resign Smyth and make Belanger the 13-14th forward next season. Simply switching these terrible players with Magnus, Grigorenko/Lander and a UFA forward (maybe a guy like Gaustad) would improve the team.
Nuge played 15:38 in a game where he needed one point to get the rookie scoring lead. Eberle was under 16 minutes too. What an embarrassment.
Belanger played 18:16. I'm sick of the "penalty kill" excuse. He's awful. Horcoff and Smyth both over 19 minutes.
Renney sealed his doom with the way that last game was coached. Instead of unleashing the kids and playing the hell out of them we got an overdose of Horcoff, Smyth and Belanger.
Thankfully the Oilers can (maybe) buy out Horrible-coff, not resign Smyth and make Belanger the 13-14th forward next season. Simply switching these terrible players with Magnus, Grigorenko/Lander and a UFA forward (maybe a guy like Gaustad) would improve the team.
Nuge played 15:38 in a game where he needed one point to get the rookie scoring lead. Eberle was under 16 minutes too. What an embarrassment.
Belanger played 18:16. I'm sick of the "penalty kill" excuse. He's awful. Horcoff and Smyth both over 19 minutes.
^This^ big time! In my mind, they should play Nuge, Ebs, Hallsy etc. ~20min a game.
Maybe not in everyone, but more than the ussal ~17min the have now!
Management will soon not have a job if they continue playing Horcoff all these minutes. So, I'm not too worried about pressure on a coach to play him.
oh fosho. Horc has been the most relied on player for 3 years and they have the worst record in the league over that time, AINEC. More of the same will mean more the same.
Management will soon not have a job if they continue playing Horcoff all these minutes. So, I'm not too worried about pressure on a coach to play him.
The owner loves the guy so no, Horcoff is a protected player who should have had his rump kicked to the curb long ago. The fact that to go along with his atrocious contract for term and dollar amount goes the ntc and nmc.
