Do people realize that Price has to sign the offer sheet too? People are getting angry at Burke for something that probably wouldn't get past the first step.
No worries, this is all a pipe dream anyway, there never was even a snowball's chance of it happening. I just don't like how I get the impression from Burke that while he says he's committed to building a winner, he has also said he flat out won't do certain things other GMs will, in terms of bringing players to this team. He handcuffs himself unnecessarily and that's not the kind of GM we need leading this team.
I agree 100% with you, which is why imo Burke should go in an adviser role and have Nonis take care on the gm responsibilities.. Burke always says if theirs a way to make us better now and in the future while sticking to the blue print he'll do it.. yet he wont front load a contract to get a player (when all it costs is $$)
I agree 100% with you, which is why imo Burke should go in an adviser role and have Nonis take care on the gm responsibilities.. Burke always says if theirs a way to make us better now and in the future while sticking to the blue print he'll do it.. yet he wont front load a contract to get a player (when all it costs is $$)
I get why he says he won't do some of these things, but it's annoying because he handicaps himself. Other GMs do these kinds of things and he doesn't. Hockey is, first and foremost, a business. And business is a results-oriented area. Burke either has to be willing to do what it takes to achieve the desired results, or step down and let someone take over who will.
Burke is gonna get verbally assaulted to the point where is gonna walk out and not be seen by the media until June 22, 2012 if he doesn't own upto the fact he overestimated this team's ability to make the playoffs with the core that was in place. Kadri shouldn't of been sent down, Reimer should have been shut down until the deadline or later, LACK should of been dealt at the deadline or for that matter never even of been signed (Lombardi is the exception as he was traded for), and well I think the list can go on and on and on of things he should of done BUT I do appauld him for the youth and management crew he was able to bring in.
Burke will probably say "that's a gutless question" more than once on Tuesday, he has to learn if you talk the talk you have to walk the walk, in a way I feel sorry for him, how humiliating it must be to be publicly proven an incompetent fool, who's mistakes have outweighed his successes tenfold.
I just hope the reporters in the room have the balls to ask the tough questions and hold Burke accountable to answer them. As much as I'm looking forward to watching this press conference and seeing how Burke tries to talk his way out of this, I have a bad feeling it's going to be a relatively light and civil affair.
I get why he says he won't do some of these things, but it's annoying because he handicaps himself. Other GMs do these kinds of things and he doesn't. Hockey is, first and foremost, a business. And business is a results-oriented area. Burke either has to be willing to do what it takes to achieve the desired results, or step down and let someone take over who will.
Exactly, and he even admitted it too at the trade deadline conference he had, when he said his mgmt team was contemplating a having his on deadline 10 days before the nhls deadline but didnt wanna handicap himself.. i DO NOT want a gm making his own deadline days so that he can handcuff himself if a deal does come a long down the line.
Exactly, and he even admitted it too at the trade deadline conference he had, when he said his mgmt team was contemplating a having his on deadline 10 days before the nhls deadline but didnt wanna handicap himself.. i DO NOT want a gm making his own deadline days so that he can handcuff himself if a deal does come a long down the line.
I just find it all to be complete BS. He says that the pressure is murder in Toronto. Give me a ****ing break. These guys are professional athletes. They deal with pressure every game and if they can't deal with pressure, then find another line of work. I mean, my God. If the rumour of possibly being dealt at the deadline makes these guys all worried and play worse instead of making them think "holy crap, I'm gonna work my butt off and show them why it wouldn't be a good idea to trade me" then this team is composed of entirely wrong types of players.
Burke will probably say "that's a gutless question" more than once on Tuesday, he has to learn if you talk the talk you have to walk the walk, in a way I feel sorry for him, how humiliating it must be to be publicly proven an incompetent fool, who's mistakes have outweighed his successes tenfold.
For some reason I cannot stop laughing when I read this and it gets funnier every time.
Hope there's a janitorial crew on hand to clean up all the verbal diarrhea that Burke will be spewing.
As much as I dislike Burkie, he does always man up and admit he hasn't done a good job...he will do so again, but when is enough is enough gonna hit the fan...?
Just curious when Burkie admits he hasn't done a good job, but so many on here think he has? Why?
As much as I dislike Burkie, he does always man up and admit he hasn't done a good job...he will do so again, but when is enough is enough gonna hit the fan...?
No he doesn't. If he did, he's basically issue a blanket apology to Leafs fans everywhere for LACK. Ditto for going with a goaltending tandem of Gustavsson and Reimer. That's one thing Burke does not do, is admit when he's made a mistake.
No he doesn't. If he did, he's basically issue a blanket apology to Leafs fans everywhere for LACK. Ditto for going with a goaltending tandem of Gustavsson and Reimer. That's one thing Burke does not do, is admit when he's made a mistake.
Pretty sure I have heard him in the past admit that he hasn't done a good enough job...and it's gotta hurt from the inside, since his ego is bigger than the ACC...
Just curious when Burkie admits he hasn't done a good job, but so many on here think he has? Why?
The ones who feel he's done a good job will be looking at the prospect pool, average age on the team and what he inherited. Burke will be looking at the results from this season when he claims he needs to do better.
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No he doesn't. If he did, he's basically issue a blanket apology to Leafs fans everywhere for LACK. Ditto for going with a goaltending tandem of Gustavsson and Reimer. That's one thing Burke does not do, is admit when he's made a mistake.
Always interesting to see people make things up to try and support their position.
I think it's funny how quick people are to call Burke the type to try and spin things in his favour. All he has ever done as GM is take responsibility for the product on the ice. He said himself before he would receive a failing grade if he had to give himself one, and he knows that this team, while it should be good enough to make the playoffs (and was, for the majority of the year), still needs to get better.
Focusing on positives going forward is not trying to "spin" things. He understands that this season did not go the way he wanted it to. Everyone's up in arms about the performance we saw during the second half, and people think Burke is happy with it? We all know how much pride he has, he wants to build a championship team, and to see the effort put forth by his players to finish off the season probably gets him way more riled up than any questions asked by gutless reporters.
The way people talk around here, you'd think Burke wanted to tank in February.
No he doesn't. If he did, he's basically issue a blanket apology to Leafs fans everywhere for LACK. Ditto for going with a goaltending tandem of Gustavsson and Reimer. That's one thing Burke does not do, is admit when he's made a mistake.
You're so wrong. I don't know what it is, but your hate for Burke is probably blinding you of what really happens lol. He'll take responsibility for putting a losing team on the ice just to help you go to bed easier, I promise.
I dont think so, I think he is in the right track whether people admit it or not.
we played good hockey for most of the season. the callapse shows their are still some big holes on our team.
anyways, even if we did make playoffs, we were probably were going to be killed in first round. burke has said so many times, he doesn't want to get into playoffs in 8th spot. then get killed in first round. make playoffs the right away. burke is doing a good job and stick with him. he knows he has to fix some things
burke 2009 " i believe this team can make the playoffs"
burke 2010 " i believe this team can challenge for a playoff spot"
burke 2011 " the team we ended the season with is a playoff team"
burke 2012 " i am a moron"
Actually I think Burke will take the blame for the failure. However I'm not entirely sure he should stop there. It's time he stopped trying to deflect the blame to himself from what is obviously a self-entitled lazy bunch of players. I know if I had been him I would have been waiting in the dressing room after that last Philadelphia game and just blasted them, I don't know whether their efforts embarassed the players themselves but they sure made Burke look bad after all the excuses he's used to cover up the fact they don't seem to have a lot of heart as a team.
Actually I think Burke will take the blame for the failure. However I'm not entirely sure he should stop there. It's time he stopped trying to deflect the blame to himself from what is obviously a self-entitled lazy bunch of players. I know if I had been him I would have been waiting in the dressing room after that last Philadelphia game and just blasted them, I don't know whether their efforts embarassed the players themselves but they sure made Burke look bad after all the excuses he's used to cover up the fact they don't seem to have a lot of heart as a team.
a bunch of self-entitled lazy player that Burke acquired, the buck stops with Burke and Burke alone, wouldn't hurt if the players he acquired had at least a pinch of character.
Burke is gonna get verbally assaulted to the point where is gonna walk out and not be seen by the media until June 22, 2012 if he doesn't own upto the fact he overestimated this team's ability to make the playoffs with the core that was in place. Kadri shouldn't of been sent down, Reimer should have been shut down until the deadline or later, LACK should of been dealt at the deadline or for that matter never even of been signed (Lombardi is the exception as he was traded for), and well I think the list can go on and on and on of things he should of done BUT I do appauld him for the youth and management crew he was able to bring in.
First off, not a chance. He's on another level intellectually relative to most of the swine in the Toronto media. He'll rip them apart easily.
How did he overestimate the team's ability? Until everything fell apart they were a playoff team, this was for a significant period of time. You can't predict such a prolonged complete disaster, especially considering that it wasn't like Colorado in the recent past who tanked similarly to how we did this year. They had it explained with the significant amount of man-games lost to important pieces of their team. We don't have that luxury, it truly is perplexing how basically every aspect of our team managed to completely crash and burn at the same time. You can try and pinpoint it on a few areas, such as goaltending, but I don't buy it. The players and the coach seriously **** the bed, and there will likely be some moves made to remedy that. The coach is already gone, and some of the players who especially don't fit into Carlyle's system and underperformed will likely be moved if Burke can find assets that carry more value from our perspective.
Kadri was Wilson, not Burke.
For one, Reimer was playing at a similar level to how he was before he got injured. It was the dreadful penalty kill that was resulting in the shelling. If you look at stats, the even strength save percentage of Reimer corroborates that, as when he first came back from injury they were virtually identical to when he had left. So there is certainly grounds to criticize Reimer, but you have to not be so short sighted and, frankly, just plain stupid when you do so. I don't see why he should have been shut down when he was performing perfectly fine when he came back and the stats back up that opinion.
I'm not quite sure what LACK is (Lombardi, Army, Cons, Komi)?The hate for Army is hilarious considering how much love you morons gave him last year and there being a very easy to see rationale for why he has struggled. I know you boys don't like it, but you need veteran experience on a team to guide the kids coming up. 3 million is a touch high for Army, but when he's healthy nobody is complaining about that pricetag considering what he adds to the team. You saw a glimpse of that last year and everyone here was collectively having to clean their pants after games. Idiots.
Full value won't be realised until next year when there has been proper conditioning and a proper off season preparing for the season. Apparently you're new to the sport if you don't realise what a healthy Lombardi offers. Like, how can you possibly complain about Burke's handling of Lombardi? He shipped out Lebda to take on cap space and money in Lombardi (who is still a great player healthy in his own right) and Franson who is a talented young d man. Really?
If you like incredibly streaky play and brilliant collapses such as this year, you'll continue to preach more youth and less age. Our youth is a main contributing factor to our failure, it's just the nature of having an incredibly young team. It isn't a problem to have a few vets on the team that can provide invaluable leadership and experience to help the kids weather the bad slumps. Having the right veteran experience in the room can help make sure something like what happened this year doesn't happen. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't applaud Burke for bringing in youth and then slap him in the face for the price he paid to get the youth (such as taking on Lombardi to get Franson).
I don't see the negative in adding in what was a potential short term improvement to our top line with Connolly considering Burke was smart enough to get him at a term where he doesn't negatively impact any of the assets we do have that could replace him. He's here for 1 more year, sure he's making a decent penny, but that's the price that had to be paid for the term length. It may not have worked out, but considering what we have to deal with after it hasn't worked out as hoped, it isn't a bad deal.
The only bad move there is Komi. You'll need more than that to convince me friend.
The only bad move there is Komi. You'll need more than that to convince me friend.
If you truly believe that the acquiring Lombardi, Armstrong and Connolly were good moves, I find it hard to believe you actually watched any games. Lombardi is fast as hell, and that's it. No puck skills, not a shooter, doesn't hit, isn't tough, not good defensively...etc. Armstrong is TERRIBLE. Not bad, terrible. When fully healthy, he is a 3rd line plugger at best with little to no skill. For the money he is making, he is completely useless. Connolly..I don't even know where to start. Sure, he shows glimpses of skill, but he gives less effort than any player I have ever seen. He just floats around, waits for the puck to come to him and then passes it off. He is just flat out horrible.
I think it's funny how quick people are to call Burke the type to try and spin things in his favour. All he has ever done as GM is take responsibility for the product on the ice. He said himself before he would receive a failing grade if he had to give himself one, and he knows that this team, while it should be good enough to make the playoffs (and was, for the majority of the year), still needs to get better.
Focusing on positives going forward is not trying to "spin" things. He understands that this season did not go the way he wanted it to. Everyone's up in arms about the performance we saw during the second half, and people think Burke is happy with it? We all know how much pride he has, he wants to build a championship team, and to see the effort put forth by his players to finish off the season probably gets him way more riled up than any questions asked by gutless reporters.
The way people talk around here, you'd think Burke wanted to tank in February.
this. people contradict themselves so often on this board its ridiculous.
Burke doesn't come out and spin off. he tells the truth, the farm system is good, the do have the most 1st rounders since 2008 in the organization....Burke hasn't done one thing wrong here (we can all agree LACK isn't productive but its they are giving guys time in the minors to develop... i dont think that can be stressed enough)
we played good hockey for most of the season. the callapse shows their are still some big holes on our team.
anyways, even if we did make playoffs, we were probably were going to be killed in first round. burke has said so many times, he doesn't want to get into playoffs in 8th spot. then get killed in first round. make playoffs the right away. burke is doing a good job and stick with him. he knows he has to fix some things
if people like it or not, getting a top 5 pick in the draft will help this franchise more than just making the playoffs and getting beat by boston/nyr in 4-6 (boston its 4 rangers maybe 5-6)
If you truly believe that the acquiring Lombardi, Armstrong and Connolly were good moves, I find it hard to believe you actually watched any games. Lombardi is fast as hell, and that's it. No puck skills, not a shooter, doesn't hit, isn't tough, not good defensively...etc. Armstrong is TERRIBLE. Not bad, terrible. When fully healthy, he is a 3rd line plugger at best with little to no skill. For the money he is making, he is completely useless. Connolly..I don't even know where to start. Sure, he shows glimpses of skill, but he gives less effort than any player I have ever seen. He just floats around, waits for the puck to come to him and then passes it off. He is just flat out horrible.
Always interesting to see people make things up to try and support their position.
