I'm a little surprised NYR and St. Louis slipped at the end of the season. Either one of those teams could have handily beaten Vancouver to the top spot.
Canucks had an extra 16 points possible from their garbage division.
Subtract the extra two games from Central teams playing CBJ and Atlantic teams playing NYI and the Nucks have an extra 12 possible points from a terrible division.
You need to think this through more carefully. The Canucks didn't get to play 6 extra games, they got to replace 6 average games with 6 easy games. If the Canucks collect 60% of points in average games and 80% of points in easy games, that's an extra 20% * 12 = 2 or 3 points. Could that have made the difference on the PT? For sure. But the implication that this is a true 100-point 4/5-seed that racked up 111 points because of their division is hogwash.
I'm a little surprised NYR and St. Louis slipped at the end of the season. Either one of those teams could have handily beaten Vancouver to the top spot.
NYR didn't slip much, they played some good hockey down the stretch. St.Louis needs to reevaluate where they are though, they have not been playing well.
Personally I wouldn't worry much if I were the NYR. Something tells me that if they make it to the Finals they'll still have home ice.
One team in the past 8 years have won the President's Trophy and the Stanley Cup in the same season. Three teams in the same timespan didn't make it out of the first round. Good luck!
Another interesting fact 8 teams that didn't win the presidents trophy last year didn't make it out of the first round
Man I got chills when they were running out the clock and the crowd was cheering and the announcers were talking about the magnitude of what they were doing. Has to be really rare for a team to clinch the President's in their last game, right? (and on the last day of the NHL season) Made it feel cooler
The best team clearly didn't win this award, the Canucks were "lucky" to win it, this trophy really belongs to _____ and they would have won it if it wasn't for injuries or refs!!!!
NYR finishing with 109 points is more impressive then VAN finishing with 111. Presidents Trophy means squat, noone really remembers them. It's all about Lord Stanley!!
If the Canucks were in the Rangers position this year, and the Rangers clinched the Presidents' trophy on the last day, while the Canucks lost their last game, how many people here would be talking about the choke job the Canucks did?
Lundqvist choked away the last game of the season, against a team they could have played in the 1st round... he was just plain terrible in the game. If that happened to Luongo, people would be ripping him apart for choking... of course no one ever gives him any credit - the fact that he had a shutout in the last game to clinch the Presidents' hasn't been mentioned once by anyone.
Nobody is talking about how the Blues had the Presidents' and lost it with a bad stretch of play to end the regular season and are going into the playoffs on a 4-3-3 run.
Nobody is mentioning the Rangers losing the Presidents' with 2 straight losses to end the season, including Lundqvist giving up 4 goals on just 17 shots in a game that they had the Presidents' trophy in their hands.
If this was the Canucks instead in either of their positions, all we'd hear about is their choke-job.
Never been impressed with the Presidents Trophy. Nice job winning it twice though but they dont skate around the ice with it.
Out of 27 times the President Trophy has been given the team winning have only won 7 times.
Sort of nice to hang in the Rafters but without the Cup its sort of sad.
Never been impressed with the Presidents Trophy. Nice job winning it twice though but they dont skate around the ice with it.
Out of 27 times the President Trophy has been given the team winning have only won 7 times.
Sort of nice to hang in the Rafters but without the Cup its sort of sad.
If we're going to use historical events and stats to predict the likelihood of the Canucks winning the cup, then the fact that of the 4 back-to-back President's Trophy winners, 3 of them won the Cup their second year. That's just as relevant as 7 of 27 if this is what we're going to do.
In the end, it doesn't mean anything because the 2012 President's Trophy winners aren't the same team as the previous 27 winners, and the playoff field isn't the same as the previous 27 faced. It's a whole new ball game, anything can happen, and history doesn't mean jack ****.
Never been impressed with the Presidents Trophy. Nice job winning it twice though but they dont skate around the ice with it. Out of 27 times the President Trophy has been given the team winning have only won 7 times.
Sort of nice to hang in the Rafters but without the Cup its sort of sad.
So the Presidents' trophy winning team has won the Cup 26% of the time.
What other seed has a better chance of winning the Cup? And if no other team has a better chance, what other seed has the next closest chance of winning it?
I'd take a 1 in 4 chance of winning the Cup when you win the Presidents'.... and as was posted earlier - I'd take a 75% chance of winning the Cup when you've won back to back Presidents'.
And as for an award that doesn't mean anything... any award in the league that has only been done 4 other times in history - back to back Presidents' trophy win - is a huge accomplishment that most organizations never get a chance at... diminish it all you want, but something that happens that rarely is an accomplishment.
Never been impressed with the Presidents Trophy. Nice job winning it twice though but they dont skate around the ice with it. Out of 27 times the President Trophy has been given the team winning have only won 7 times.
Sort of nice to hang in the Rafters but without the Cup its sort of sad.
I challenge you to find a more significant historical indicator of Stanley Cup success than that.
Put the Canucks in the Atlantic or Central, they'd be at best in the middle of the pack in either of those divisions. Running away in a pathetic division shouldn't warrant a presidents trophy imo.
Put the Canucks in the Atlantic or Central, they'd be at best in the middle of the pack in either of those divisions. Running away in a pathetic division shouldn't warrant a presidents trophy imo.
Washington ran away with a crappy Southeast when they won in 09-10
San Jose ran away with a crappy Pacific when they won in 08-09
Detroit ran away with a crappy Central when they won in various recent years
etc. etc. etc.
are you seeing a trend? Bloodbath divisions rarely produce Presidents' Trophy winners. The Canucks in the Northwest are no different.
Actually no, since I don't know anything about that. I've always loved hockey and the Blues, since I live in St. Louis and I have a big hockey family, but this is my first year actually following it completely. I think this will actually be the first playoff series I've ever completely paid attention to.
So basically all of my hockey opinions have only really developed from this season alone. And I can say for certain that I hate Vancouver.
Please lose.
I don't understand why you hate us so much????
Were the most likeable team in the NHL from what I heard.
The Canucks won it on a slim margin. They are the only playoff team in their division while the Blues and Rangers had compeitition. I'd find it far more impressive to put up 109 points in a division where there are three other 100+ point teams in the division than 111 where there's no other team with more than 90.
It's like if there's three tier one teams and one tier four team playing.
The game between the two tier one teams goes to overtime and ends say 5-6.
The other game is 36-0. Which team deserves more bragging rights? The team that beats a quality opponent or the team that beats a team that has no business playing anyone in the league?
Put the Canucks in the Atlantic or Central, they'd be at best in the middle of the pack in either of those divisions. Running away in a pathetic division shouldn't warrant a presidents trophy imo.
uh?
The Canucks had a .625 win% against the Central division this season. That's better than both the Blues and the Wings against that division.
The Canucks also had much better records against the NW division than either the Blues or the Wings did.
The Canucks records against the different divisions:
Yes, the Canucks dominated against the NW, but their record against the NW was still significantly better than other top teams did against the NW. And their record against the Central was still pretty dominant - better than the best team in the Central did this year.
Their worst record was against the Atlantic, but that was just 5 games played overall.
If it was so easy to win games against the NW, and that's the only reason why they won the Presidents', then why didn't the other top teams in the league dominate the NW?
Chicago was just .500 against the NW - does that mean they suck?
The Rangers, they went just 3-2-0 against the NW... does that mean that if they played in the NW, they would be a worse team - as their win% would drop from the .655 they posted otherwise?
Boston has a losing record against the NW.... does that mean they would be out of the playoffs if they played in the NW?
What's more pathetic - running away in a pathetic division, or having a .500 or losing record against that division? Guess teams like the Hawks, Bruins, Kings, Devils and Caps are all pretty pathetic?
Put the Canucks in the Atlantic or Central, they'd be at best in the middle of the pack in either of those divisions. Running away in a pathetic division shouldn't warrant a presidents trophy imo.
How come Boston and Florida didn't do it then? Those Divisions (NE and SE) are worse overall than the NW.
If it was so easy to win games against the NW, and that's the only reason why they won the Presidents', then why didn't the other top teams in the league dominate the NW?
To be fair, the Canucks didn't have to play themselves. Having to play the Canucks will surely decrease opponents' records against the NW.
