Why do Burke haters make up such nonsense? Burke has said he is interested in one goal, and that's to win a cup. He could have trade our future (Gardiner, picks) to make the playoffs this year. He won't do it next year either. There is no for sure that Burke will be fired after next year if we don't make the playoffs. That's all speculation from impatient Leaf fans.
Why do Burke haters make up such nonsense? Its because they're whinny little crybabies that's why. Btw, how many times has Burke repeated himself saying that he's not interested in making the playoffs to get his ass kicked in the first round? Show me one quick fix trade he made at the trading deadline to try and sneak this team into 8th place? This season was a blessing in disguise, Kessel emerged as an elite first line winger, fact. Lupul emerged as another first line winger, fact. Gunnerrson emerged as defenseman who can play heavy minutes at a high level, fact. Phaneuf had an all-star season and regained his form he had in Calgary, which is what he is, he was never a great defenseman, he's a level below great, fact. Gardiner emerged as a puck moving defenseman who has a chance to become great, fact. They have one of the youngest teams in the NHL, fact. They have a chance to get an elite impact player at the draft, fact. And most important of all he fired Ron Wilson, a coach he didn't hire in the first place, fact. So how many positive facts do I count there? Eight! But I'm supposed to cry like a b*tch because they didn't sneak into the playoffs only to get their heads handed to them in the first round by a team like the Rangers or the Bruins? Something Burke said he was never interested in doing in the first place? Give me a break.
All that being said if Burke doesn't make the playoffs next year he should be let go, give someone else a chance to be GM, fair is fair. Florida and Ottawa made the playoffs, its not that hard to make the playoffs, and next year will be his players and his coach, so lets see what happens, but even with the terrible finish this season it had positives. But the whining from all these fans who come off like a bunch of five year olds who need a timeout is as annoying as it gets. Can't even turn on the radio anymore without hearing the same crying conversation over and over and over again. It all boils down to, "wah wah wah...Tyler Seguin.....wah wah wah." Freakin' tedious.
Why do Burke haters make up such nonsense? Its because they're whinny little crybabies that's why. Btw, how many times has Burke repeated himself saying that he's not interested in making the playoffs to get his ass kicked in the first round? Show me one quick fix trade he made at the trading deadline to try and sneak this team into 8th place? This season was a blessing in disguise, Kessel emerged as an elite first line winger, fact. Lupul emerged as another first line winger, fact. Gunnerrson emerged as defenseman who can play heavy minutes at a high level, fact. Phaneuf had an all-star season and regained his form he had in Calgary, which is what he is, he was never a great defenseman, he's a level below great, fact. Gardiner emerged as a puck moving defenseman who has a chance to become great, fact. They have one of the youngest teams in the NHL, fact. They have a chance to get an elite impact player at the draft, fact. And most important of all he fired Ron Wilson, a coach he didn't hire in the first place, fact. So how many positive facts do I count there? Eight! But I'm supposed to cry like a b*tch because they didn't sneak into the playoffs only to get their heads handed to them in the first round by a team like the Rangers or the Bruins? Something Burke said he was never interested in doing in the first place? Give me a break.
All that being said if Burke doesn't make the playoffs next year he should be let go, give someone else a chance to be GM, fair is fair. Florida and Ottawa made the playoffs, its not that hard to make the playoffs, and next will be his players and his coach, so lets see what happens, but even with the terrible finish this season it had positives. But the whining from all these fans who come off like a bunch of five year olds who need a timeout is as annoying as it gets. Can't even turn on the radio anymore without hearing the same crying conversation over and over and over again. It all boils down to, "wah wah wah...Tyler Seguin.....wah wah wah." Freakin' tedious.
Some fans have higher standards than 7th last, 7th last, 2nd last, 9th last, and now 5th last with no elite talent to show for it.
I'm glad you have been enjoying missing the playoffs for a league record, 8 years in a row. Others don't.
Some fans have higher standards than 7th last, 7th last, 2nd last, 9th last, and now 5th last with no elite talent to show for it.
I'm glad you have been enjoying missing the playoffs for a league record, 8 years in a row. Others don't.
Oh I didn't realize that Burke has been here the last 8 years. Damn you Burke for that Raycroft trade! But at least I don't cry like a b*tch. Let someone else do that job, they're built for that. Your job is to come off as a pompous know it all, and you do it quite well.
Uhh, but he didn't. Do you even read what you type, or do you just like being angry at your own imagination?
“I’m not paid to get in the playoffs,” Burke said. “I want to win a championship here. Getting into the playoffs … we could have done that last year. We could have traded our young players and gotten in last year for a couple of 30-year-olds. We could have gotten in the year before, too, I believe, if we traded all the kids.
He's referring to the 2009 and 2010 seasons here. It's not exactly comforting to here our GM talk with such delusion and ego.
“I’m not paid to get in the playoffs,” Burke said. “I want to win a championship here. Getting into the playoffs … we could have done that last year. We could have traded our young players and gotten in last year for a couple of 30-year-olds. We could have gotten in the year before, too, I believe, if we traded all the kids.
He's referring to the 2009 and 2010 seasons here. It's not exactly comforting to here our GM talk with such delusion and ego.
So you're basing your speculation that Burke will trade away the future for the playoffs on...?
If Burke didn't trade away the future at this year's deadline, knowing well that the pressure is on him, he won't trade away the future at all.
Also, to the "Fire Burke" crowd out there. Can you name me a GM out there right now who you're so sure will do a better job than Burke?
There is no denying that Burke has failed this season yet again, but if you could predict a team playing .575 will go .300 to end the season, please your foresight and help the World predict earthquakes, tsunamis, terrorist attacks well in advance.
1) 5th pick in draft, with an upgrade possible at the lottery.
2) Gardiner
3) Lupul
4) Carlyle... play some d.
5) Actually have own high 2nd round pick.
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I like it. Especially #5. Something people may look over.
The 35th pick can be used to move up into the first round of the draft. Which I believe Burke will do.
If Burke didn't trade away the future at this year's deadline, knowing well that the pressure is on him, he won't trade away the future at all.
Also, to the "Fire Burke" crowd out there. Can you name me a GM out there right now who you're so sure will do a better job than Burke?
There is no denying that Burke has failed this season yet again, but if you could predict a team playing .575 will go .300 to end the season, please your foresight and help the World predict earthquakes, tsunamis, terrorist attacks well in advance.
The 25 GM's who finished higher in the standings did a better job than Burke. Yearly standings are based on the years play, not just the first 35 games. After Wilson tweeted his extension the leafs went 17-30.
Positives:
1. Kessel's emergence as a legitimate star.
2. Lupul's rebirth as the player he was expected to become when he was drafted.
3. Gardiner exceeding everyone's expectations far earlier than anticipated.
4. Top 5 pick.
5. Performance of the Marlies.
The 25 GM's who finished higher in the standings did a better job than Burke. Yearly standings are based on the years play, not just the first 35 games. After Wilson tweeted his extension the leafs went 17-30.
I don't think you understand my point at all.
If you fire Burke, you're looking for a new GM. Correct?
You can't just go and say "Oh we're going to get Ken Holland because he's one of the 25 GM's that did better than Burke"
He's under contract.
You can't say "X would have done better if he was here instead of Burke" because if that certain GM was better than Burke he would already have a job elsewhere.
If you fire Burke, you're looking for a new GM. Correct?
You can't just go and say "Oh we're going to get Ken Holland because he's one of the 25 GM's that did better than Burke"
He's under contract.
You can't say "X would have done better if he was here instead of Burke" because if that certain GM was better than Burke he would already have a job elsewhere.
Leafs have already done it. Brian Burke was under contract to the Ducks and they released him from the contract to sign with the leafs. The leafs can fire Burke, hire Dudley as the interim and wait for the man they want, as they did with JFJ and Fletcher.
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1. Ron Wilson is gone.
2. Back in the lottery again with this management team, but team actually own the pick.
3. A coach that might implement a viable system.
4. Second line that would be hard pressed to be this bad again.
5. Gardiner brought in to mentor the leadfoots on how to skate. Mr. Schenn take notes.
6. Tyler Bozak increased his points by 50%, showed he is a legitimate NHL center.
7. Grabovski with 2 wingers having off seasons still gets 50 points.
8. Komisarek burnt off the last year of a horrendous contract and now makes a reasonable 3.5 per.
9. Leafs haven't traded all their later round picks.
10. The Tank has completed its' journey and next year ...
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using his big frame to create space and his skating ability to find open lanes to drive the net. He stands 6-3 and is a natural goal scorer with plenty of confidence.
He's a scout's dream in the way he prepares himself and plays an unselfish game, making smart decisions with the puck. With his bloodlines, he certainly understands what it will take to make it at the next level.
Positives:
1. Kessel's emergence as a legitimate star.
2. Lupul's rebirth as the player he was expected to become when he was drafted.
3. Gardiner exceeding everyone's expectations far earlier than anticipated.
4. Top 5 pick.
5. Performance of the Marlies.
Been nice reading through this thread (for the most part) to bring my spirits up and help see the brightness of the future. Don't have much to add that hasn't been covered already.
A positive could be that we should be able to sign Kulemin cheaper as a result of his off year - if management decides to do so
[QUOTE=PresidentCamacho;47571427]“I’m not paid to get in the playoffs,” Burke said. “I want to win a championship here. Getting into the playoffs … we could have done that last year. We could have traded our young players and gotten in last year for a couple of 30-year-olds. We could have gotten in the year before, too, I believe, if we traded all the kids.
He's referring to the 2009 and 2010 seasons here. It's not exactly comforting to here our GM talk with such delusion and ego.[/QUOTE]
What delusion are you refering to? I suppose you were made privy to the conversations that took place previously and have some factual statements to discredit Burke as it relates to trades, proposals etc. Beyond pathetic; how is it you can suggest with such certainly what took place behind closed doors to discredit burke. Its well documented you dislike burke, but really makes you look foolish to make things uo to help further your agenda.
A Leafs fan not liking management or it's moves is not an agenda. Every fanbase has it's debates about their management team. I remember debates about Quinn. I was a supporter. Now I am not a management supporter. I think Burke is the wrong man for the job. Clearly he can't handle the media attention. Carlisle can so could Quinn. Between them nobody. That should be a pre-requisite for this job.
Burke has an agenda to show everyone else what a GM role should embody. No long term signings, personal trade deadlines etc. This is not compatible with running a team today. NJ 'broke' Burke's rules and now they have a great winger and a playoff position. The Pens 'broke' Burke's rule and now they are loaded with talent and cup favourites. Burke's personal rules conflict with the normal operations of an NHL team.
That trade which benefited a division rival? That broke a rule that's been around since divisions in hockey. How's that working out?
Burke detractors are as solid in their reasons as Quinn detractors and all the others that don't win a cup for their team. Goes with the job.
Idk how many times people have to tell people like u that burke has a plan in place and there not going for a quick fix now. He has also stated he is not going to trade assets for aging veterans. Brian burke Is a great GM and the team let him down, I don't remember seeing any negative burke threads/posts when the leafs were in the playoffs.
pretty obnoxious post buddy. How the hell do you know that Burke has a plan. What his plan is an whether or not he would pull the trigger on a quick fix trade to save his job? Furthermore, why do you believe anything he says in the media? Brian Burke is NOT a great GM and the team that let him down was assembled by himself. Stop watching hockey with your eyes closed.
Stay awake my friend and look both ways before crossing the street.
pretty obnoxious post buddy. How the hell do you know that Burke has a plan. What his plan is an whether or not he would pull the trigger on a quick fix trade to save his job? Furthermore, why do you believe anything he says in the media? Brian Burke is NOT a great GM and the team that let him down was assembled by himself. Stop watching hockey with your eyes closed.
Stay awake my friend and look both ways before crossing the street.
How is that an obnoxious post when Burke, Nonis and Poulin have all said that exact thing on different occasions. They have a plan, will stay the course, and will execute. For a GM who is not good, he has won a cup, and almost beat Canada in the Olympics with the USA team he put together. Nothing wrong with disliking anyone, throwing out accusations and making things up to push an agenda is juvenile, uneducated and a complete waste of time. Stop trying to push your agenda with unsubstantiated claims.
pretty obnoxious post buddy. How the hell do you know that Burke has a plan. What his plan is an whether or not he would pull the trigger on a quick fix trade to save his job? Furthermore, why do you believe anything he says in the media? Brian Burke is NOT a great GM and the team that let him down was assembled by himself. Stop watching hockey with your eyes closed.
Stay awake my friend and look both ways before crossing the street.
Hahahahaha!!! Your one to talk about obnoxious posts!!!
To even suggest Burke does not have a plan is ludicrous!!!
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Burke's Job Description:
Have a plan!
Just because you don;t like how it was executed or the timeframe doesn;t mean ****!! He has a plan! Has shown many times that he is unwilling to stray from his plan no matter what happens. If he was interested in a quick fix we likely woudl have seen it at the TDD.
How is that an obnoxious post when Burke, Nonis and Poulin have all said that exact thing on different occasions. They have a plan, will stay the course, and will execute. For a GM who is not good, he has won a cup, and almost beat Canada in the Olympics with the USA team he put together. Nothing wrong with disliking anyone, throwing out accusations and making things up to push an agenda is juvenile, uneducated and a complete waste of time. Stop trying to push your agenda with unsubstantiated claims.
My claims are not unsubstantiated. The results after 4 terms are in.....buddy. If this was a court of law with all the evidence before us...you would get your a$$ handed to you and your client would toil in a jail cell until he rotted...but keep on thinking your knowledge is superior and your insight is unbridled. Its not rocket science or nuclear physics. Its hockey. Shoot puck in net.
Hahahahaha!!! Your one to talk about obnoxious posts!!!
To even suggest Burke does not have a plan is ludicrous!!!
Just because you don;t like how it was executed or the timeframe doesn;t mean ****!! He has a plan! Has shown many times that he is unwilling to stray from his plan no matter what happens. If he was interested in a quick fix we likely woudl have seen it at the TDD.
I don't even know how you guys actually believe the garbage you write.
My claims are not unsubstantiated. The results after 4 terms are in.....buddy. If this was a court of law with all the evidence before us...you would get your a$$ handed to you and your client would toil in a jail cell until he rotted...but keep on thinking your knowledge is superior and your insight is unbridled. Its not rocket science or nuclear physics. Its hockey. Shoot puck in net.
First thing, i`m not your buddy, and i have no inclination to get to know you. Second, you claim Burke has no plan as per your last post. Post the proof that says there is no plan, and that he is willing to make short term moves to create job security? Everything in your post was all without merit and to further your agenda.
I don't even know how you guys actually believe the garbage you write.
OK!! Your right, Burke has no plan. Him and his bulked-up front office are all flying by the seat of their pants.
Ask yourself how a management team consisting of so many executives could possibly operate without an outlined plan? There is no way they coudl even function without a clearly defined plan.
Of course, that woudl involve you having to think rationally which I am surely not banking on! So bring on the stupid remarks!
But at least I don't cry like a b*tch. Let someone else do that job, they're built for that. Your job is to come off as a pompous know it all, and you do it quite well.
Thank You Kessel. 
