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04-08-2012, 11:17 AM
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Well Chicago only drafted top 5 twice, unlike Edmonton. They didn't screw up in the 2003 draft, and got Seabrook. Lucked out in the 2nd round, and got Keith. Very slim Oilers get a top pairing guy from the 2nd rounds on. Pittsburgh stepped into an age where they were able to draft two generational players, but they were able to use UFA to acquire solid defenders. Edmonton is undesirable at this point for guys to come.
if you are refering to Sergei Gonchar, they acquired him in 2005...when they finished 2nd last in the league

he was not the reason for their turnaround

Kris Letang...their best defenceman, is a 3rd round pick

to say the Oiler NEED to draft a d-man in the top 5 is preposterous....Pittsburgh and Chicago are fine examples of NOT drafting a d-man in the top 5 and still working out just fine

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04-08-2012, 11:25 AM
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if you are refering to Sergei Gonchar, they acquired him in 2005...when they finished 2nd last in the league

he was not the reason for their turnaround

Kris Letang...their best defenceman, is a 3rd round pick

to say the Oiler NEED to draft a d-man in the top 5 is preposterous....Pittsburgh and Chicago are fine examples of NOT drafting a d-man in the top 5 and still working out just fine
I think he meant Paul Martin and Zybnek Michalek.

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What would you guys give to move up to #2?
Is this the draft you want to be going number two?

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04-08-2012, 11:43 AM
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sure, they're offense will be amazing, but they're D will still suck and they're goaltending will be mediocre.
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I know, I know. It's just how good Eberle is. and they still can't win a playoff spot.
It takes more than a single PPG player.

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No he hasn't, you guys have low standards lol. And I suppose Hemsky's been his old 05-06 self as well?
He's referring to calendar year 2012. And he has been terrific. Do you wish to dispute that?

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I like the swedish version much better, if you suck you dont get a reward but get kicked out of the league...
You hate everything about the Oilers because they won't let Omark play. We get it.

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Edmonton Oilers recent history dictates that they'll stockpile talent for years and years.... make one good run in the playoffs then start the process over again.
What? The last time the Oilers stockpiled talent like this, they went on to win five Cups.

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Edmonton is undesirable at this point for guys to come.
It's not like Pittsburgh is even the most desirable location in their division. New Jersey is probably the least desirable and they still have Lou and a winning atmosphere.

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04-08-2012, 12:00 PM
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if you are refering to Sergei Gonchar, they acquired him in 2005...when they finished 2nd last in the league

he was not the reason for their turnaround

Kris Letang...their best defenceman, is a 3rd round pick

to say the Oiler NEED to draft a d-man in the top 5 is preposterous....Pittsburgh and Chicago are fine examples of NOT drafting a d-man in the top 5 and still working out just fine
The Oilers have had two #1D men in their entire nhl history. One was taken 6th, the other 2nd.

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Is this the draft you want to be going number two?
Why not? Both teams have been going number two on their fans for years.

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You dont want Grigorenko or Galchenyuk?

Seems like a pretty good opportunity to get what the team lacks most.
at the 5th overall pick we will get one of them ... or Forsberg who i think will be better than both

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04-08-2012, 12:17 PM
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it doesn't matter who the oilers draft

until they (katz i guess) fire tambellini and get rid of the old boys club in edmonton, the potential of the team with RNH, Eberle, Hall, and Yakupov/Grigorenko/Murray/whoever will never be fully realized

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You def. will have problems...
Why would they have problems? Perhaps you should go look at the salary structure of other teams....do the Canucks have problems fitting in 2 Sedins at 6.1m, Kesler 5m, Luongo 5.33 m, plus guys like Bieska, Booth, Ballard, Hamhuis all making more then 4 mil? Do the Pens have problems even though they have Malkin and Crosby at 8.7m, yet have Staal at 4m, Martin and Fleury at 5mil, and Neal to be at 5mil next year as well? The highest paid cap hit on the Oilers next year will be Hemsky at 5mil, and even then his contract is only for 2 years.

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it doesn't matter who the oilers draft

until they (katz i guess) fire tambellini and get rid of the old boys club in edmonton, the potential of the team with RNH, Eberle, Hall, and Yakupov/Grigorenko/Murray/whoever will never be fully realized
Kinda agree, getting rid of Lowe would be foremost key to future success.

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Either they...
Get Grigorenko
Not fair

OR

get Murray or Dumba
Not fair

Wow, **** you too life.
Actually if they draft Murray or Dumba then it is fair. If they take another high end fwd then it's unfair...that talent shouldn't be going to one team like this.

I hope if they draft Grigorenko then it turns out that he's really a 23 yr old and turns out to be a bust in the future.

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04-08-2012, 12:39 PM
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So Edmonton is probable to get the 2nd pick and would be able to draft Grigorenko. Eberle, Hall, RNH, Grigorenko... Shouldn't there be a rule against getting top picks more than 3 yrs in a row? I'm not an EDM hater or something. And I honestly expected them to do better this season. I was just thinking if that is a fair situation by now.
No. Its not fair. Too much talent on one team. Grigorienko (even tough never played NHL game), Eberle, Hall, and RNH makes Crosby and Malkin and Stamkos looks like bums. Somwething has to be done about it.

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I wouldn't consider unfair. Grigorenko will be a clear step behind Hall, RNH, and Eberle... They should take Murray, but if they don't Grigs will be a nice addition.

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Should go BPA. Can always trade one of those forwards for a high-end defender.

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Well Chicago only drafted top 5 twice, unlike Edmonton. They didn't screw up in the 2003 draft, and got Seabrook. Lucked out in the 2nd round, and got Keith. Very slim Oilers get a top pairing guy from the 2nd rounds on. Pittsburgh stepped into an age where they were able to draft two generational players, but they were able to use UFA to acquire solid defenders. Edmonton is undesirable at this point for guys to come.
oh reaaaaallly........


you should double check that.

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Should go BPA. Can always trade one of those forwards for a high-end defender.
Doubtful. If Hemsky was getting 2nd round offers....it doesn't seem like other GM's want to "play nice"...I think this is their best shot at getting a franchise Dman.

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I would draft Murray if i was edmonton cause he's probably 3rd in rank so if you're face with drafting the 2nd best player available and the 3rd best player available and NEED a D, you draft Murray.

That being said, if they draft Grigorenko, its not like they'll be making a mistake either.

Wait 2-3 years, see who your top 2 Centers are then potentially move one out for a missing piece of the puzzle

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Dammit edm draft dmen and stop hogging forwards
They have picked 7 D in the last 2 drafts, including 1 in the first round and 2 in the 2nd round


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Doubtful. If Hemsky was getting 2nd round offers....it doesn't seem like other GM's want to "play nice"...I think this is their best shot at getting a franchise Dman.
Then we can trade the pick down. If we reach for a defenseman, then we're giving up significant value. It's not like our top 6 is cup calibre anyways.

Hopefully Murray or whoever ends up showcasing enough that he's the BPA so we won't have to deal with that.

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If Edmonton had picked Seguin and Landeskog, they would be much better now.

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They need to go for Murray or Dumba.

But Pens did what they're doing, Chicago did what they're doing. Both have been rewarded with cups.

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Well Chicago only drafted top 5 twice, unlike Edmonton. They didn't screw up in the 2003 draft, and got Seabrook. Lucked out in the 2nd round, and got Keith. Very slim Oilers get a top pairing guy from the 2nd rounds on. Pittsburgh stepped into an age where they were able to draft two generational players, but they were able to use UFA to acquire solid defenders. Edmonton is undesirable at this point for guys to come.
Kane 1st OA '07
Toews 3rd OA '06
Barker 3rd OA '04

Well you were close.

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Then we can trade the pick down. If we reach for a defenseman, then we're giving up significant value. It's not like our top 6 is cup calibre anyways.

Hopefully Murray or whoever ends up showcasing enough that he's the BPA so we won't have to deal with that.
Unfortunately Murray's team got swept in the first round, so there's probably going to be rampant speculation right up until draft day.

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