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04-08-2012, 12:27 AM
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Draft Lottery Odds

Pre-Lottery Position/Team/Odds to Win/Odds To Hold Position/Odds to drop one position
1 CBJ 25.0 48.2 51.8
2 EDM 18.8 42 39.2
3 MON 14.2 56.1 29.7
4 NYI 10.7 66.7 22.6
5 TOR 8.1 74.7 17.2
6 ANA 6.2 80.7 13.1
7 MIN 4.7 85.4 9.9
8 CAR 3.6 89 7.4
9 WIN 2.7 91.8 5.5
10 TB 2.1 94 3.9
11 WASH (VIA COL) 1.5 96.6 1.9
12 BUF 1.1 97.6 1.3
13 DAL 0.8 98.7 0.5
14 CGY 0.5 99.5 0

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I know this isn't rocket science, but for those that want a quick guide.

If TSN does it like they have in the past, they will reveal the team in position five first, then team four, and so on.

If the team in position five is:

TOR - that means TOR, ANA, MIN, CAR, and WPG did not win the lottery.
NYI - that means either TOR, ANA, MIN, CAR won the lottery.
WPG - that means WPG has won the lottery.

If you're a EDM/MON fan, you want nothing to change until your team's current draft position. At that point, you wish to see the team just above you in the pre lottery draft order, which would mean you have won.

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Pre-Lottery PositionTeamOdds to WinOdds To Hold PositionOdds to drop one position
125.048.251.8
218.84239.2
314.256.129.7
410.766.722.6
58.174.717.2
66.280.713.1
74.785.49.9
83.6897.4
92.791.85.5
102.1943.9
11 (via COL)1.596.61.9
121.197.61.3
130.898.70.5
140.599.50


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how often has a team outside the top 5 win the lottery.

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how often has a team outside the top 5 win the lottery.

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my god, how awesome would it be if the leafs won the lottery lol..

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I have had a very strong feeling over the last 2 weeks that the Oilers are going to win the lottery. It's what the Mayans were predicting.

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I have had a very strong feeling over the last 2 weeks that the Oilers are going to win the lottery. It's what the Mayans were predicting.
Oilers with a winning record will cause the world to end?

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I believe the Mayans, they predicted a Leafs Stanley Cup in 2013.

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I believe the Mayans, they predicted a Leafs Stanley Cup in 2013.
Ew! No thank you. I'd rather have the earth end.

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how often has a team outside the top 5 win the lottery.
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=18342

3 times in 16 years

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I just hope the Isles dont get pushed to 5th....


If we saty at 4 we have a shot at one of

Yakupov, Grigorenko, Murray, or Dumba

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Seems like we are due for a team entering the lottery in the #1 slot to be bumped down, last time it happened was 2007...

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Seems like we are due for a team entering the lottery in the #1 slot to be bumped down, last time it happened was 2007...
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I'm curious with the Leafs dire need for a Center, if they would at least think of trading down to take one of the top Centers.

That said, I'm rooting for the Isles to win the lottery. Tavares-Yakupov would be unbelievable for years.

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Seems like we are due for a team entering the lottery in the #1 slot to be bumped down, last time it happened was 2007...
I agree. While the chances of Columbus retaining their pick is 48.2%, the likelihood of the 30th ranked team (in their respective years) drafting first in five consecutive drafts should be (.4825 =) 2.6% if I understand probability correctly.

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I agree. While the chances of Columbus retaining their pick is 48.2%, the likelihood of the 30th ranked team (in their respective years) drafting first in five consecutive drafts should be (.4825 =) 2.6% if I understand probability correctly.
Actually, the likelihood of the 30th ranked team (in their respective years) drafting first in five consecutive drafts is 48%.

Past lotteries have no bearing on this year's lottery, just like how the roulette ball can roll on red 15 times in a row.

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Actually, the likelihood of the 30th ranked team (in their respective years) drafting first in five consecutive drafts is 48%.

Past lotteries have no bearing on this year's lottery, just like how the roulette ball can roll on red 15 times in a row.
I'm sure you're right, but it seems counterintuitive (just like it seems very improbable that a roulette ball will roll on red 15 times in a row).

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I'm sure you're right, but it seems counterintuitive (just like it seems very improbable that a roulette ball will roll on red 15 times in a row).
Rolling on red 15 times in a row is only improbable if you're talking about the next 15 rolls. If it already landed on red 14 times, and you're about to bet on the 15th roll, chances are 50-50.

Same as here. The odds that the 2012-2016 draft lotteries all have the 30th team picking first is slim. But 2008-2012? Not so slim because it's not about 2008-2012 anymore, it's just about 2012.

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Actually, the likelihood of the 30th ranked team (in their respective years) drafting first in five consecutive drafts is 48%.

Past lotteries have no bearing on this year's lottery, just like how the roulette ball can roll on red 15 times in a row.
that cant be true... with a coin in one flip the probability to flip a heads is 50%, two flips the probability of flipping 2 heads is 1/2 * 1/2= 1/4 = 25%, three in three is 1/8 and so on so the first part isnt true in the perspective of the past few years

But you are right in the assertion that this particular draft its 50/50 pretty much...

Ill put it this way, what we are dealing with with the past 3-4 years with the #1 retaining the pick is a statistical anomaly... I guess it all depends on how you want to look at it, as each draft lottery as part of a whole group or as each individual one its own beast/... in a practical sense its best to do each one individually I guess

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Seems like we are due for a team entering the lottery in the #1 slot to be bumped down, last time it happened was 2007...
We're also due for the 2 slot to win the lottery as it has never happened. Probably not what you wanted to hear though.

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We're also due for the 2 slot to win the lottery as it has never happened. Probably not what you wanted to hear though.
That can't be right

#2 has never won the lottery?

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that cant be true... with a coin in one flip the probability to flip a heads is 50%, two flips the probability of flipping 2 heads is 1/2 * 1/2= 1/4 = 25%, three in three is 1/8 and so on so the first part isnt true in the perspective of the past few years

But you are right in the assertion that this particular draft its 50/50 pretty much...

Ill put it this way, what we are dealing with with the past 3-4 years with the #1 retaining the pick is a statistical anomaly... I guess it all depends on how you want to look at it, as each draft lottery as part of a whole group or as each individual one its own beast/... in a practical sense its best to do each one individually I guess
At least someone understands math.

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We're also due for the 2 slot to win the lottery as it has never happened. Probably not what you wanted to hear though.
I would be excited if the Oil went up to #1, it means the Habs stay 3rd, which is fine by me as it means one of Grigo/Gally is available for sure.

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That can't be right

#2 has never won the lottery?
I just checked and it seems to be accurate.

The only year I question is 1998, where was expansion Nashville in that lottery? The 2nd worst team that season, the Panthers, ended up ''winning'' the lottery and TB had the pick via a trade with SJ. SJ had previously acquired it from FLA.

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