Landeskog plays in all situations so he couldn't be out there for as much as RNH was (plus Avs had by far the lowest amount of PP chances) and he was a big part of the Avs PP (2nd in PP goals and 4th in PP points).
I also don't understand Oilers fans who say RNH singlehandedly moved them from 27th to 3rd place in PP, it's like Eberle and Hall (even Smyth with his play in front of the net) didn't have anything to do with it.
Its the same as how O'Reilly, Stastny and Duchene get zero credit for Landeskog (almost) carrying the Avalanche (single-handedly) to the playoffs but (epic) failing.
Edit: Even if Landeskog wins it simply by virtue of games played, I can sleep well at night knowing if they re-did the draft, Nuge would still be the #1 overall pick (easily). Have the meaningless trophy, I'll take the kid with the best career.
For me Landeskog was the best rookie this season, even on a per game basis. But it's not a big difference down to the other top rookies. I thought Couture was the best rookie last year, so I guess I have a really soft spot for a mature 200 ft game from a rookie.
Who will win the Calder is another matter and who knows what the voting journalists feel is the most important factor.
If Oilers and Avs fans exchanged RNH and Landeskog, I bet you we'd see the same exact posts with different avatars.
Landeskog should win, you're not a better rookie for missing a quarter of the season and scoring the same points. There's 20 games where Landeskog was hitting, playing defense and helping his team win while RNH was on the sideline.
RNH coming in 2nd is not the same as being an inferior player.
Unfortunately the next 10 years of comparisions "Who is better, RNH or Lando" will forever have one major problem, RNH's career looks like it will be defined by his offensive contributions as a #1 center, whereas Landeskog's looks like it will be defined much like Toews has thus far, for his overall contributions on and off the ice. Making the comparison between the two players impossible.
Its the same as how O'Reilly, Stastny and Duchene get zero credit for Landeskog (almost) carrying the Avalanche (single-handedly) to the playoffs but (epic) failing.
Edit: Even if Landeskog wins it simply by virtue of games played, I can sleep well at night knowing if they re-did the draft, Nuge would still be the #1 overall pick (easily). Have the meaningless trophy, I'll take the kid with the best career.
Oilers fan talking about epic failures.
And please don't make stuff up to help your cause, Landeskog was a big part of our playoff push, but he certainly wasn't singlehandedly (since O'Reilly, EJ and our goalies were better) leading the team in the playoff push and I don't know any Avs fan who claims that.
And I guess you've invented the time machine since you know that RNH is going to be a better player in the long run, FTR I'm not saying he won't.
whereas Landeskog's looks like it will be defined much like Toews has thus far, for his overall contributions on and off the ice. Making the comparison between the two players impossible.
Seriously, I love how because of Landeskog's style of play, it's somehow a proven fact that he's this Godly leader and that RNH has absolutely no leadership. Can you provide absolutely any reason to post such nonsense?
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Oilers fan talking about epic failures.
I forgot that the team that a poster cheers for changes his input entirely...
Seriously, I love how because of Landeskog's style of play, it's somehow a proven fact that he's this Godly leader and that RNH has absolutely no leadership. Can you provide absolutely any reason to post such nonsense?
I forgot that the team that a poster cheers for changes his input entirely...
Seriously, I love how because of Landeskog's style of play, it's somehow a proven fact that he's this Godly leader and that RNH has absolutely no leadership. Can you provide absolutely any reason to post such nonsense?
When you compare two things, you usually will find one is better than the other. Landeskog looks like he'll be a better leader.
Why does that have to hurt Oilers fans so badly? It's not like Eberle isn't an amazing player in his own right who I expect to be a similarly strong leader for Edmonton.
RNH doesn't look like he'll be that guy, that's all.
You took my statement to an extreme, like I claimed RNH isn't a leader, when in fact I didn't even say anything about his leadership.
When you compare two things, you usually will find one is better than the other. Landeskog looks like he'll be a better leader.
And I'd love to hear why. Seriously, give me one reason as to why Landeskog is a better leader than RNH.
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Why does that have to hurt Oilers fans so badly?
It doesn't, I just find it funny that you can make such outlandish statements without absolutely any fact.
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RNH doesn't look like he'll be that guy, that's all.
And you believe this because...?
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You took my statement to an extreme, like I claimed RNH isn't a leader, when in fact I didn't even say anything about his leadership.
But you were comparing them and mentioned only Landeskog as contributing both on and off the ice. I think anyone reading that post would regard that as you claiming he isn't a leader. You even said it earlier in this post, so stop pretending like you haven't.
The last time there was a tie for the rookie scoring lead was back in '97-'98 when Samsonov and Mike Johnson were tied with 47 points.
I'd take Landeskog. Never know how much/few points Nugent-Hopkins will score in the 20. Plus, Landeskog hit's more and a lot better on the plus/minus side(he is quite defensive reliable). I'd take that then 10 more points. It isn't like NH has less talent on his line.
Henrique also done good. Nice to have on SH.
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I forgot that the team that a poster cheers for changes his input entirely...
I guess being the youngest team and one of the cheapest team and still being in the playoff hunt until the last week of the regular season clasifies as an epic failuire among the Oilers fanbase.
Oilers fans need to belittle the accomplishments of other teams and players around the NHL to make themselfs feel good is quite sad and disturbing to some degree.
I guess being the youngest team and one of the cheapest team and still being in the playoff hunt until the last week of the regular season clasifies as an epic failuire among the Oilers fanbase.
Oilers fans need to belittle the accomplishments of other teams and players around the NHL to make themselfs feel good is quite sad and disturbing to some degree.
Once again, his post should have absolutely nothing to do with the team he cheers for. He isn't talking about the Oilers, so why do you bring them up? Because you can't argue his post? That's the only reason I can think of.
As I said yesterday after Nuge got 4 minutes for high-sticking: too bad he never smacked more guys in the face with his stick during the season. It might have increased his "intangibles" quotient with the voters.
Might end up being Henrique with Nuge and Lando splitting western conf votes
I would vote for Adam since he's right up there with Lando, played slightly few games, has played more SH minutes (has 7 SH points) and has no PP goals and very little PP time. If Adam was on the PP more perhaps his numbers would be in the ~60+ range. His +/- is great when you consider the Devils only have a few players in the + range and he filled Zajac's shoes and helped in a big way to get the Devils as 6th seed IN the playoffs.
RNH got injured, has equaled Adam and Lando in points but his team sucked and he's got nothing but points to ride on. He'll definitely steal votes from Landeskog though which is why I think Adam is going to win.
Should Adam win? I don't think it's a crime if he does - clearly Landeskog has put together an amazing season and instead of slowing down like Adam did, Landeskog picked up the slack in Colorado and almost got them into the playoffs.
So homergoggles off, Landeskog will probably win but I think Henrique has a chance of stealing it
I guess being the youngest team and one of the cheapest team and still being in the playoff hunt until the last week of the regular season clasifies as an epic failuire among the Oilers fanbase.
Oilers fans need to belittle the accomplishments of other teams and players around the NHL to make themselfs feel good is quite sad and disturbing to some degree.
This is why Oiler fans are taking offence to this. What is everyone else doing, including most of the national media, when they argue that RNH missing 20 games due to injury and STILL having the same number of points makes him less deserving of the trophy? Thats why Oiler fans are so annoyed, because a lot of people are being so irrational and hyping up Landeskog (who will be a great player) because of his intangibles. It's like Landeskog is trying to unseat Toews here on HF.
Put it this way. Think back to Ovi and Crosby's rookie season. If they had the same number of points, but Crosby played 20 less games, would Ovi still have won?
And I'd love to hear why. Seriously, give me one reason as to why Landeskog is a better leader than RNH.
Several of the Avalanche players (Giguere, O'Brien) have said he will be a future captain in the NHL as has his old OHL coach in Kitchener. He was made a captain in OHL as a 17 year old. Talk like that about a teenager in the NHL is extremely rare.
It's possible that Nugent-Hopkins also exhibits these leadership qualities for the Oilers. I don't follow the Edmonton media as closely as you Oiler fans do so it's possible he is being talked about as a future captain too.
I think people claming Landeskog to be a better leader look both at how he plays and how he carries him self. They probably also look at previous captainship responsibilities. Where as Landeskog has been a leader pretty much every where he has played, internationally with the U16,J18 and J20 teams, Tv-Pucken and the Kitchener rangers. RNH has seemingly not been chosen as a leader any where he has been. This might have something to do with different surcomstances for each of the players. But i think it at least tells you something.
As to who will win. Both are deserving but it seems the media has a hard on for Landeskog. Hence why i think he'll win it. To bad it has to be decided because of an injury. I really love RNHs vision, rarely you get to see that kind of awarenes from someone so young.
And I'd love to hear why. Seriously, give me one reason as to why Landeskog is a better leader than RNH.
I guess all of the scouts posting about Landeskog's leadership and that he'll captain a team one day were wrong and RNH was the real leader, right? Unless scouts can't be trusted anymore, as I do believe it was Edmonton's which said Landeskog would never be more than a 3rd liner in the NHL?
It's not like Landeskog demonstrated down the stretch that when the team needed him, he would be there. Having an IV-drip pre-game and proceeding to score the GWG in OT, that's not the definition of leading by example.
Rather than get into this endless pissing match, I'll let you feel RNH is the better leader, the better player, etc. Landeskog isn't as good nor will he ever be as good as RNH. He's a glorified grinder, hits are for scrubs anyways.
You don't want to hear about his leadership anyways, just like you told the other poster from before.
RNH has seemingly not been chosen as a leader any where he has been.
Assistant captain for the Rebels, assistant captain at the Ivan Hlinka for Canada. Not the captain, however the comments earlier that Landeskog >>>>>>>>>>>>> RNH in terms of leadership are laughable. One poster simply mentioning leadership as a great asset for Landeskog, and then not mentioning the same for RNH is an example of this.
I guess all of the scouts posting about Landeskog's leadership and that he'll captain a team one day were wrong and RNH was the real leader, right? Unless scouts can't be trusted anymore, as I do believe it was Edmonton's which said Landeskog would never be more than a 3rd liner in the NHL?
I never disagreed with Landeskog being a leader, tell me where I said anything like that. I simply find it funny that RNH apparently has none of these same qualities that Landeskog has.
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It's not like Landeskog demonstrated down the stretch that when the team needed him, he would be there. Having an IV-drip pre-game and proceeding to score the GWG in OT, that's not the definition of leading by example.
Maybe if you watched more than 2-3 Oilers games you would notice the same thing about RNH. You do realize that Landeskog isn't the only player in NHL history to be there when his team needs him, right?
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Rather than get into this endless pissing match, I'll let you feel RNH is the better leader, the better player, etc. Landeskog isn't as good nor will he ever be as good as RNH. He's a glorified grinder, hits are for scrubs anyways.
I love when posters feel the need to put words in mouths when they realize they have nothing left to argue. I haven't said any of these things, hilarious.
Assistant captain for the Rebels, assistant captain at the Ivan Hlinka for Canada. Not the captain, however the comments earlier that Landeskog >>>>>>>>>>>>> RNH in terms of leadership are laughable. One poster simply mentioning leadership as a great asset for Landeskog, and then not mentioning the same for RNH is an example of this.
Being assistant does not have to mean you are not as good of a leader as the actual captain. It might have to do with not wanting the responsibilities but still want to contribute to leading the team. I actually did not know this about RNH. It seems he is a leader after all. And i agree that claiming GL to be a much better leader than RNH is pretty ridiculous. Most of all because we can't possibly know. Only speculate.
