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04-08-2012, 02:54 PM
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He gets marks in my book because he realized that. In the past, Lombardi would have continued with Hunter, Moreau, and Murray. It is purely a grade for the regular season and what transpired. The team struggled and forgot themselves, Lombardi righted the ship to pull off a playoff appearance when that seemed impossible mid-season. Overcoming one's mistakes and making the necessary correcting actions has value and warrants commendation. It is not like I am voting him into the Hall of Fame or anything, but past mistakes and future results doesn't come into play here. I was rating regular season performance only. For that, I recognize DL re-evaluated his approach and it worked and payed off. He did his job well from October to this point.
He should go from an "F" to a "C" then.

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Do you think that DL deserves an A for this season? Weren't your expectations much higher than the results?
Did I give him one?

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He should go from an "F" to a "C" then.
That takes into account things that transpired prior to October first, was rating this season only. Not rating wishful dreams or opinions, but actions taken between October and this point, can't think of many mistakes made by his moves and actions since. The thread is to rate regular season performance, his moves were positive, and indicated that he was learning from his mistakes and made an active effort to correct them, which he did quite successfully.

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That takes into account things that transpired prior to October first, was rating this season only. Not rating wishful dreams or opinions, but actions taken between October and this point, can't think of many mistakes made by his moves and actions since. The thread is to rate regular season performance, his moves were positive, and indicated that he was learning from his mistakes and made an active effort to correct them, which he did quite successfully.
Okay, but the GM's "season" starts on draft day.

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Okay, but the GM's "season" starts on draft day.
Well, I liked most of what he did since that day as well He signed Hunter and Moreau, but they were kind of nothing moves, they did nothing, but they weren't really a liability, they cost nothing, and we made them disappear for nothing. He made a couple of nothing moves hoping for a chance to catch a break and give his kids more time to develop, he didn't get a break, but his kids did develop quite well and were ready to take the reigns and he recognized that and allowed it to happen. That is a positive to me, especially when he had to overcome his own conceptions of earning a spot to do it. It amounts to growth and future promise.

King and Nolan didn't look like the hockey players they are today at camp from what I saw; therefore, it worked, they broke out and Manchester and Lombardi bought them the time needed to accomplish what they did.

Dean's grade dipped sharply for me entering December, and I was recommending him to be replaced next season if it continued, but he corrected it and brought the Kings to a playing level they should have been throughout the year, they mathematically couldn't get any higher, but they were playing stellar for us here the last 3/4 of the year, and that is mainly due to Lombardi and his moves. Lombardi had to go against himself to accomplish that and I recognize that as a step forward for the organization. He preaches about the players taking another step, but I think Lombardi himself took another step with them. Since those signings, I can't think of a single thing he did that I would point out as a negative. He gets an A from me for his work this year and dealing with what he could control as he did.


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04-08-2012, 03:12 PM
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Well, I liked most of what he did since that day as well He signed Hunter and Moreau, but they were kind of nothing moves, they did nothing, but they weren't really a liability, they cost nothing, and we made them disappear for nothing.
I somehow doubt AEG thinks $1.2 million is nothing.

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I somehow doubt AEG thinks $1.2 million is nothing.
Doesn't matter, we are fans, the money is nothing to us but a stat on our organizational chart and our video screens. Money isn't an asset we tangibly consider outside of salary cap. The support they are offering Dean is phenomenal. I was with most who criticized them over the past few years, but they have really stepped up now to ensure we have above and beyond everything we need. That is a very fortunate position to be in as we look around the league at have-nots. I commend them for their support.

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04-08-2012, 03:29 PM
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Williams A-. His second straight good season.
Kopitar A-. Excellent defense, top 20 in scoring for the third straight year.
King A-. A very pleasant surprise.
Brown B+. Came through down the stretch.
Nolan B. A pleasant surprise. Helped provide an identity to the 4th line.
Fraser B. Made the best of a limited skillset. Helped provide an identity to the 4th line.
Gagne C. Played well his first 17 games, generally ineffective his second 17 games, then got injured.
Richards C-. Expected more than an improved Jarret Stoll.
Lewis C-. Generally ineffective under Murray, improved under Sutter.
Clifford C-. Expected more.
Loktionov C-. Expected more.
Richardson D. Expected more/generally ineffective.
Stoll D. Expected more/generally ineffective.
Hunter D-. Expected little, got nothing.
Penner F. Generally ineffective. Though he does have a legitimate excuse.
Moreau F. Expected little, got less than nothing.
Carter Incomplete
Parse Incomplete

Defenseman

Mitchell A+. The Kings best defenseman this season.
Voynov A. Excellent rookie season. Played like a vet.
Greene B+. Probably his best season as a King.
Martinez B-. Had a tough time when he was going in and out of the lineup but played very well after the JJ trade.
Scuderi C+/B-. Generally fairly solid but beginning to show signs of age.
Doughty C. Second straight disappointing season.
Drewiske Incomplete

Goaltenders

Quick A+. Vezina candidate. Enough said.
Bernier B-. Played fairly well when he was playing.


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04-08-2012, 03:54 PM
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Ethan Moreau was not a liability? Did you really say that with a straight face?

Hunter was a decent guy to take a chance on, had put up some numbers the last time he was healthy. It didn't work out but I wouldn't call him a total liability on the ice.

Moreau on the other hand was a disaster his entire 28 games here, just like he was a disaster in Columbus last season.

Nolan, King and Fraser have been a breath of fresh air after having to endure slugs like Ivanans, Moreau, Westgarth and Clune under TM.

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Kopitar B
Brown B
King B+
Williams B
Carter B
Nolan B
Fraser B
Richards C+
Lewis C
Clifford C
Gagne B-
Richardson D+
Loktionov D
Westgarth C+
Hunter C-
Stoll D+
Penner D-
Moreau F+
Parse Incomplete

Defenseman

Mitchell A+
Greene A
Voynov A-
Martinez B
Scuderi B-
Doughty C
Drewiske Incomplete

Goaltenders

Quick A+
Bernier B

Coaching

Sutter B
Murray D-

Ratings based on what I've expected vs what they achieved.

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Williams A-. His second straight good season.
Kopitar A-. Excellent defense, top 20 in scoring for the third straight year.
King A-. A very pleasant surprise.
Brown B+. Came through down the stretch.
Nolan B. A pleasant surprise. Helped provide an identity to the 4th line.
Fraser B. Made the best of a limited skillset. Helped provide an identity to the 4th line.
Gagne C. Played well his first 17 games, generally ineffective his second 17 games, then got injured.
Richards C-. Expected more than an improved Jarret Stoll.
Lewis C-. Generally ineffective under Murray, improved under Sutter.
Clifford C-. Expected more.
Loktionov C-. Expected more.
Richardson D. Expected more/generally ineffective.
Stoll D. Expected more/generally ineffective.
Hunter D-. Expected little, got nothing.
Penner F. Generally ineffective. Though he does have a legitimate excuse.
Moreau F. Expected little, got less than nothing.
Carter Incomplete
Parse Incomplete

Defenseman

Mitchell A+. The Kings best defenseman this season.
Voynov A. Excellent rookie season. Played like a vet.
Greene B+. Probably his best season as a King.
Martinez B-. Had a tough time when he was going in and out of the lineup but played very well after the JJ trade.
Scuderi C+/B-. Generally fairly solid but beginning to show signs of age.
Doughty C. Second straight disappointing season.
Drewiske Incomplete

Goaltenders

Quick A+. Vezina candidate. Enough said.
Bernier B-. Played fairly well when he was playing.
I like your grades for the most part. The only differences:
Voynov B+. Kid needs still some work on his defensive side of things, terrific rookie tho.
Scuderi - C. Nothing special, no physical play or offensive abilities.
Gagne - C+. Was solid all around player and my expectations weren't to high anyway.

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i dont know guys, people grading scuds below a B+ or below Greene is just a little blind imo. He's been rock solid this season and is very underrated.


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I know this is supposed to be for the regular season, but I don't see the point in giving grades until the whole season is over. How far we go in the playoffs will largely influence whether or not I believe Lombardi should still be this teams GM, and which players should still be around next season.

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Ethan Moreau was not a liability? Did you really say that with a straight face?

Hunter was a decent guy to take a chance on, had put up some numbers the last time he was healthy. It didn't work out but I wouldn't call him a total liability on the ice.

Moreau on the other hand was a disaster his entire 28 games here, just like he was a disaster in Columbus last season.

Nolan, King and Fraser have been a breath of fresh air after having to endure slugs like Ivanans, Moreau, Westgarth and Clune under TM.
I wouldn't get overdramatic about a fourth line veteran signing.

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Average Player GPAs Thus Far

Here are the average GPAs thus far, with the number of posters who ranked each player in parentheses.

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3.427 Kopitar (11)
3.227 King (11)
3.218 Williams (11)
3.209 Brown (11)
3.030 Carter (10)
2.973 Nolan (11)
2.973 Fraser (11)
2.233 Gagne (6)
2.200 Lewis (11)
2.100 Richards (11)
1.882 Clifford (11)
1.388 Loktionov (8)
1.143 Westgarth (7)
1.127 Stoll (11)
1.022 Richardson (9)
0.711 Hunter (9)
0.400 Penner (11)
0.078 Moreau (9)

Defenseman

4.245 Mitchell (11)
3.636 Voynov (11)
3.236 Greene (11)
2.945 Martinez (11)
2.791 Scuderi (11)
2.027 Doughty (11)
2.150 Drewiske (2)

Goaltenders

4.245 Quick (11)
2.682 Bernier (11)

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I wouldn't get overdramatic about a fourth line veteran signing.
Who mysteriously started the year as the 3rd line RW?

We can at minimum say Moreau cost the Kings at least one point with his brain-dead penalty against Dallas early in the year. And we know how big one point turned out to be. And do you not remember how awful the Kings bottom lines were before Nolan and Fraser started regularly playing.

Call me overdramatic all you want, I stand by my statement that this team wins the Pacific with King and Nolan up all year.

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Once again, this team wins the Pacific if King and Nolan are up all year, agreed?
I'm more incline to think that if we had DS for the entire year we would have won our division.

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kopitar- B
brown- B
williams- B-
richards-C
king-B+
richardson-C-
stoll- D-
penner-D-
lewis- C+
fraser-B-
clifford-C
Nolan-B-


doughty-C+
scuderi-B-
voynov-B+
mitchell-B
greene-C+
martinez-B-

quick-A-
bernier-C+

murray-F
sutter- C+

lombardi-C-

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I'm more incline to think that if we had DS for the entire year we would have won our division.
You are probably right. I don't think Moreau or Hunter would have made the team out of camp with DS and no way would Westgarth have played as much either. Not to mention his ridiculous shot mentality and his restrictions on d-man doing anything offensively.

Murray was just such a disaster.


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He signed Hunter and Moreau, but they were kind of nothing moves, they did nothing, but they weren't really a liability, they cost nothing, and we made them disappear for nothing.
Always looking on the bright side of things, eh?

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Also went on expectations vs reality

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Kopitar B
Brown B-
King A
Williams C+
Carter B+/A-
Nolan A
Fraser D
Richards D
Lewis C+
Clifford F
Gagne Inc
Richardson C
Loktionov Inc
Westgarth F
Hunter C
Stoll F (off)
Penner F
Moreau C
Parse Incomplete

Defenseman

Mitchell A++++++
Greene B+
Voynov A
Martinez B
Scuderi C+
Doughty D
Drewiske Inc

Goaltenders

Quick A-
Bernier B+

Coaching

Sutter A+ (based off expectations. Still want him fired)
Murray F------------------

Lombardi Z----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Who mysteriously started the year as the 3rd line RW?

We can at minimum say Moreau cost the Kings at least one point with his brain-dead penalty against Dallas early in the year. And we know how big one point turned out to be. And do you not remember how awful the Kings bottom lines were before Nolan and Fraser started regularly playing.

Call me overdramatic all you want, I stand by my statement that this team wins the Pacific with King and Nolan up all year.
I graded him with an F, so it is not like I don't share some semblance of your sentiment, but I don't think of it in terms of it being so dire that Ethan Moreau is the reason we are in 8th versus 7th. Either way, I recognize Lombardi for realizing Moreau's futility and deporting him to Manchester, which it seems he never truly reported to and faked injury to avoid, but Lombardi's moves this year have been good steps and have shown that he is flexible enough to adapt to the changes around the league, that was something I could not say of Lombardi anytime prior to this season. Trying to knock him two or three letter grades for the Moreau signing as if it was some huge catastrophic event seems unreasonable to me, especially after he corrected it very quickly as he only got just over 20 games.

Nolan has been terrific, but the stats he has put up, while being better, are comparable to Moreau's, which also highlights the very light minutes these guys put up. Obviously our fourth line now is showing how important it is to have viable depth, but I wouldn't suggest that it was so much of a stretch to think that it was ill-conceived of Lombardi to acquire Moreau while Nolan and other depth prospects in Manchester matures. Even as a failure, I find the decision holds relatively little weight which is lessened even further by the fact that he recognized and corrected it in very short order as far as professional sports are concerned. If that is your only crux against him this season, I don't see it being far fetched for him to receive a positive nod from October on.

I question your crystal ball notions on Nolan and King though. As great as they have been, and as decent as they looked in camp, it is impossible to say they've looked quite as good as they do now or were predictable of being ready for putting up great full seasons in the NHL or that they would have been immune to the rest of the teams' troubles prior to their arrival.

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You are a hard man to please. If Kopitar was nominated for the Hart, Richard, or Selke trophy, would he also get a minus? "Well Kopi, you were pretty much the best in the league this year, but I thought you could've done better..."

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Kopitar A
Quick A
Mitchell A-
Voynov B+
Carter B
Williams B
King B
Bernier B
Martinez B-
Greene B-
Nolan B-
Richards C+
Scuderi C+
Fraser C+
Doughty C
Lewis C
Clifford C-
Westgarth C-
Stoll D
Richardson D
Penner F

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You are a hard man to please. If Kopitar was nominated for the Hart, Richard, or Selke trophy, would he also get a minus? "Well Kopi, you were pretty much the best in the league this year, but I thought you could've done better..."
Look - I'm not denying that Quick was ****ing ballin' this year but I still have issues with his game that must be addressed. First things first is that he's single handedly one of the worst puck handling goalie I've ever seen. In my days of playing tier hockey, I didn't have the best shot as a goalie either but I made smart plays and I'd expect an NHL goalie to do so as well and Quick didn't. He was a liability every time he played the puck it seems. Also, he still seems to scramble too much. He's got happy feet and those will settle with time (look at MAF) but again, there were times where they caused trouble. I'd be a terrible teacher I guess because I don't feel an A+ was warranted unless you blow the doors off and just floor me with your play. The only people who got A+'s from me were Mitchell who was the model of perfection all year and absolutely exceeded expectations, even when I had high ones for him. My only other A+ was Sutter and that's only because I fully expected him to be absolutely pitiful but he seemed to actually motivate some people. He gets an A+ because my expectations were piss poor.

I'll probably always be hard on Quick. He's just the type of goalie I'm not a fan of - one who relies on athleticism over solid fundamentals. While yes he's great and was awesome this year, I had high expectations and he did meet a lot of them, hence the A-, but I guess I'm just hard on the guy.

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Based on overall play and expectation

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Kopitar A
Brown B+
King B+
Williams B
Carter B
Nolan B
Fraser B
Richards C
Lewis C
Clifford C
Gagne C-
Richardson D+
Loktionov D
Westgarth D
Hunter D
Stoll D-
Penner F
Moreau F
Parse Incomplete

Defenseman

Mitchell A+
Greene A
Voynov A
Martinez B
Scuderi B-
Doughty C+
Drewiske Incomplete

Goaltenders

Quick A+
Bernier B-

Coaching

Sutter B+
Murray F
If you're basing it on expectations...

Richards D-
Doughty D

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