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04-08-2012, 08:14 AM
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Hank WILL win the Vezina

Henrik Lundqvist: 62 GP, 1.97 GAA, .930 SV%, 8 SO, 39 Wins

Jonathan Quick: 69 GP, 1.95 GAA .929 SV%, 10 SO, 35 Wins

So...

They practically have the same GAA and SV%, Quick has 2 more SO's, but Hank still has 8 nonetheless and 7 less games played. And with 7 less games played, Hank has 4 more wins.

And to top it all off, Hank's team is in 1st in the East, Los Angeles is in 8th in the West.

This award is voted on by General Managers. They know Lundqvist deserves this award. They will give it to him.

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Henrik Lundqvist: 62 GP, 1.97 GAA, .930 SV%, 8 SO, 39 Wins

Jonathan Quick: 69 GP, 1.95 GAA .929 SV%, 10 SO, 35 Wins

So...

They practically have the same GAA and SV%, Quick has 2 more SO's, but Hank still has 8 nonetheless and 7 less games played. And with 7 less games played, Hank has 4 more wins.

And to top it all off, Hank's team is in 1st in the East, Los Angeles is in 8th in the West.

This award is voted on by General Managers. They know Lundqvist deserves this award. They will give it to him.
Quick with more GP, more shutouts, practically identical numbers.

If Hank gets it, it's due to merit. If the numbers were a little closer, I'd say let them split.

But in the end, I need to give it to Quick.

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Most of the year, I would have given it to Hank hands down. But with almost identical numbers, and Quick playing on a team with very little offense, his Win numbers are flat out more impressive. He had a sick number of games where he gave up 0 or 1 goals. And when your team doesn't score (2nd lowest goals scored in NHL), it's his play that stands out.

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Quick with more GP, more shutouts, practically identical numbers.

If Hank gets it, it's due to merit. If the numbers were a little closer, I'd say let them split.

But in the end, I need to give it to Quick.
At the same time, where your team is makes a big difference. What has Hank ever received all those years he carried us and we finished in 8th or missed the playoffs? Squat. No recognition.

This team has 109 points compared to 95 in Los Angeles. And like others have said, Quick's division is like little league compared to the Atlantic. Hank deserves it more.

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It's close but Hank's got seniority over Quick, which is a factor whether people like it or not. Lundqvist's division is also infinitely more challenging. I would be so pissed if Henrik lost the Vezina because Quick was a "hero" for a crappy team, while Henrik was the foundation of the best team in the East by a wide margin. Nothing sickens me more than when a flash-in-the-pan goalie wins the Vezina, or worse, is just a product of a system (*cough*Mason*cough).

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04-08-2012, 08:25 AM
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Quick is the feel good story for the media. Lundqvust also dropped off and hasn't been as good plus he choked with the pres trophy on the line. Quick will get it.

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Henrik blew his Vezina last night.

Had he shown up he wins it hands down.

He allowed 4 goals. And allowed his numbers to rise too much.

Quick more games played, practically identical numbers.

Quick is going to get it. If he doesn't, something went wrong with the voting.

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[QUOTE=SupersonicMonkey;47548837]Henrik blew his Vezina last night.

I think it is ludicrous to say that Lundqvist won,t win the Vezina based on one game.Granted the numbers are very close and he had a bad game but if he had this game early on and had a shutout last night what would have been the difference?

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When does the voting for the Vezina happen?

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Henrik blew his Vezina last night.

I think it is ludicrous to say that Lundqvist won,t win the Vezina based on one game.Granted the numbers are very close and he had a bad game but if he had this game early on and had a shutout last night what would have been the difference?
Yes there would have been a difference...it's called his stats.

Allow four goals on 17 shots and your GAA goes up and SV% goes down.

Quick finished with more games played, more shutouts, and because of Lundqvist's no show last night, Quick's GAA is better than Lundqvist's. And his SV% is .01 off.

Ludicrous? Only if you don't know what's going on. A little research.

Henrik blew it last night. Blew the the President's Trophy and blew the Vezina.

If Quick doesn't win it, then the voting was biased toward the player with seniority. Because Quick has the better numbers.

Only category Henrik beat Quick in was wins, and its not by much.

Henrik is my favorite player, and its blatantly obvious he lost the right to win the Vezina last night.

The RIGHT thing to do is to award the goaltender that earned it by putting up the best numbers.

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Lundqvist should look himself in the mirror and show up pissed off and focused on Wednesday and ready to do what it takes to win the Cup.

That's what separates the greats.

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Yes there would have been a difference...it's called his stats.

Allow four goals on 17 shots and your GAA goes up and SV% goes down.

Quick finished with more games played, more shutouts, and because of Lundqvist's no show last night, Quick's GAA is better than Lundqvist's. And his SV% is .01 off.

Ludicrous? Only if you don't know what's going on. A little research.

Henrik blew it last night. Blew the the President's Trophy and blew the Vezina.

If Quick doesn't win it, then the voting was biased toward the player with seniority. Because Quick has the better numbers.

Only category Henrik beat Quick in was wins, and its not by much.

Henrik is my favorite player, and its blatantly obvious he lost the right to win the Vezina last night.

The RIGHT thing to do is to award the goaltender that earned it by putting up the best numbers.
Or maybe the stats isn't everything.

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I think he'll get it. Also, our division is easily tougher than the Pacific so that may make a slight difference.

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The idea that a loss in an meaningless game at the end of the season is why he won't win is indeed stupid, as is the idea that Hank "choked" last night. But if you want to go there, what would you say Quick did? His team had the division lead going into the final two games, and he gave up 5 goals in one and 3 in the other. And last night they could have gotten the 7 seed instead of the 8, but with a 2-0 lead midway through the game he gave up three unanswered goals and lost.

No, but it was Lundqvist who choked when his team already had the 1 seed clinched.

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Or maybe the stats isn't everything.
Except for a stat driven trophy, yes the stats mean just about everything.

Tell me how it is the Vezina, Hart, Richard, Selke, Norris go to the players with the stats...if they aren't stat driven?

Maybe they shouldn't be (exception to Richard, it has to be). But unfortunately they are.

For overall season performance Lundqvist deserves the Vezina. Unfortunately the voters will be looking at the standings, and the stats. Quick with better overall numbers on a lesser team. That's enough incentive to give him the award.

Its going to be close.

Quick deserves it, he beat Lundqvist.

Lundqvist shows up last night and his numbers maintain and he comes out on top.

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Except for a stat driven trophy, yes the stats mean just about everything.
And since Lundqvist has a .01 lead in SV% and Quick a .02 lead in GAA, their stats are basically identical. And since Lundqvist plays in a division with 2 of the 3 best offensive teams in hockey, he faced tougher competition.

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I believe the voting is done during/after the post-season.

Call it a regular season award all you want, but the playoffs have a BIG influence on GM's around the league. If Hank leads us to the SCF, he'll get it. If Quick does the same, he'll get it. If Hank and Quick do it, the winner will win it.

It isn't just a regular season trophy. Performance in the playoffs has a BIG influence on voting.

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Hank should win it.

Save percentage: Hank has the tiny edge.
GAA: Quick has the tiny edge.
Wins: Hank has the edge.
GP and shutouts: Quick has the edge.

They're pretty much even, but Hank has more intangibles. Much better division, already nominated three times before, considered the best goalie overall by alot of hockey people for his consistency, while Quick has the "my team can't score goals" card, which got Hank nowhere in the past. Defensively, I believe both teams have been pretty much even. Both goalies are their team MVP, so that argument is a wash.

As for the continous bashing where a part of this board wants to throw Hank under the bus after last night's game: Zero understanding of the position. Zero. You could just as well check the NHL.com scoresheet and come to the same conclusions as them, without watching the game. I'm not going to discuss the goals, it's pretty much pointless to discuss goalie basics by now (that Hank should've saved the 3rd goal by better positioning is my favourite, apart from the common criticism in here that he lacks X-ray vision).

SupersonicMonkey: Hyperbole sensationalism much? You actually think one game is going to decide the Vezina race, in which Quick also took a hit to his stats in the last two games of the season, which seems to blow completely past you? Have you even watched those goals btw, which were pretty much each of them weaker than the goals Hank allowed? Not that I blame Quick that much for them, but you (as in plural) would pretty much put up a reward fee - Hank Dead or Alive - if he allowed them. It's a season award ffs.


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The idea that a loss in an meaningless game at the end of the season is why he won't win is indeed stupid, as is the idea that Hank "choked" last night. But if you want to go there, what would you say Quick did? His team had the division lead going into the final two games, and he gave up 5 goals in one and 3 in the other. And last night they could have gotten the 7 seed instead of the 8, but with a 2-0 lead midway through the game he gave up three unanswered goals and lost.

No, but it was Lundqvist who choked when his team already had the 1 seed clinched.
First off NO ****ING REGULAR SEASON GAME IS MEANINGLESS.

Second, does it really need to be explained what happens to a goaltenders numbers when he allows 4 goals on 17 shots?

Quick, in turn, finishes with better overall numbers.

Its plain and simple.

If Lundqvist loses to Quick in the voting, it'll 100% be because of his awful performance last night, thy allowed Quick's numbers to make it closer than it should've been.


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Henrik also plays in a division with much more goal scoring, lets see Quick have to play 18 games a year against flyers, pens, devils and then add 4 more with Boston who also scores alot. We are in the toughest division, yet we managed to be second best in the league. Canuks wouldn't have won the Pres trophy either had they been in this division

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Hank should win it.

Save percentage: Hank has the tiny edge.
GAA: Quick has the tiny edge.
Wins: Hank has the edge.
GP and shutouts: Quick has the edge.

They're pretty much even, but Hank has more intangibles. Much better division, already nominated three times before, considered the best goalie overall by alot of hockey people for his consistency, while Quick has the "my team can't score goals" card, which got Hank nowhere in the past. Defensively, I believe both teams have been pretty much even. Both are fundamental to their respective team's success, so that argument is a wash.

As for the continous bashing where a part of this board wants to throw Hank under the bus after last night's game: Zero understanding of the position. Zero. You could just as well check the NHL.com scoresheet and come to the same conclusions as them, without watching the game.
I find it amusing when people proclaim that others have zero knowledge, and in the process fail to recognize the way the world works.

No body is bashing Lundqvist.

He didn't show up last night.

Henrik has been in this position before.

"Best division"
"Less support"
"Has more long term merit"

And it hadn't stopped the voters from going with the one year hit.

Lundqvist has consistently been arguably the best goaltender in the league since he arrived in the NHL in 2005.

And every year he's been edged out of the Vezina win.

LA is 29th in goals for. That'll have more weight than how tough the Atlantic is.

Hopefully the fact the Rangers finished #2 in the NHL will be what wins Lundqvist the Vezina.

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Henrik also plays in a division with much more goal scoring, lets see Quick have to play 18 games a year against flyers, pens, devils and then add 4 more with Boston who also scores alot. We are in the toughest division, yet we managed to be second best in the league. Canuks wouldn't have won the Pres trophy either had they been in this division
The Northeast has been a weak division for a while. It hasn't stopped Thomas from winning the Vezina.

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The Northeast has been a weak division for a while. It hasn't stopped Thomas from winning the Vezina.
Thomas had no competition last year for the Vezina. He ran away with it. His stats destroyed anyone else's. He then also trolled every team and lead the Bruins to the Cup. Voting is done after the playoffs. Playoffs has an influence.

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Thomas had no competition last year for the Vezina. He ran away with it. His stats destroyed anyone else's. He then also trolled every team and lead the Bruins to the Cup. Voting is done after the playoffs. Playoffs has an influence.
Voting is done after the regular season just so voters can't be influenced by the playoffs.

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Quick , Eliot , Rinne Lundqvist 4th

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