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04-08-2012, 08:15 PM
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He started off the AHL season like a bat out of hell. Was named AHL player of the month and got called up to the Leafs. He was never the same when he got sent down again... One has to wonder if his confidence got shot, if an injury was hindering his performance or he was playing severely over his head.

He was a 1st round draft pick, so time will tell where the chips will fall.

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guys seriously - Colbourne is one of the those guys that just needs more time to develop. He has the size and skills that is incredibly rare.

he will be a solid NHL player and a contributor to the Leafs as a big bodied top 9 guy.

he needs at least 2 more seasons before any consideration of bust is given

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Could be a third line center but needs to add grit to his game. He doesn't have the take charge and create part of his game to be the number one guy. The number two is locked up for years to come in Grabovsky.

Burke likens players to pieces on a chess board and the only place open is third and first; not sure he can be either at the moment.

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04-08-2012, 08:22 PM
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guys seriously - Colbourne is one of the those guys that just needs more time to develop. He has the size and skills that is incredibly rare.

he will be a solid NHL player and a contributor to the Leafs as a big bodied top 9 guy.

he needs at least 2 more seasons before any consideration of bust is given
Thank you. Way too early to be talking about these guys as busts. How many posters on here achieved their dream jobs at 22?

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Could be a third line center but needs to add grit to his game. He doesn't have the take charge and create part of his game to be the number one guy. The number two is locked up for years to come in Grabovsky.

Burke likens players to pieces on a chess board and the only place open is third and first; not sure he can be either at the moment.
when you consider Carlyle likes his third line to be a shutdown line I don't really see him fitting in to that role, I could be wrong but yea not sure where he's gonna fit in.

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Thank you. Way too early to be talking about these guys as busts. How many posters on here achieved their dream jobs at 22?
seriously? that's your comparison? that's how you set the bar?

i'd suggest most people don't land their dream job until well into their 30s, perhaps even later. we're waiting that long for joe colborne?

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04-08-2012, 08:31 PM
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It's an enigma really. Part of it is likely that he set the bar high due to his start, part of it is likely that he was injured halfway through the season (which is why he didn't play in the AHL all-star game), part of it was likely being sent down for the first time in his career..

Hard to really pin point it. I can't remember a prospect who's offense has dried up this much. Eakins still values him very highly. Spoke about his potential as being what he showed at the start of the year. A strong off-season can change everything for him. He certainly needs to work on his consistency and being a bit more selfish, but he still has time on his side to develop.

I actually think he's shown very well at the NHL - at least to the point where he belongs.

Continuing maturation and more experience at the pro level should help him. I expect he returns to the AHL for another season and gets more call-ups during the year. I don't see the need to jump on a 6'5 22-year-old for an obvious fall-off in his season. It was dramatic, so it raises questions, but I'm just willing to let things play out. Again, players of his size sometimes develop later.

Next season should be a good indicator of where he is in his development IMO. It'll be his third pro season and expectations will be high.

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It's an enigma really. Part of it is likely that he set the bar high due to his start, part of it is likely that he was injured halfway through the season (which is why he didn't play in the AHL all-star game), part of it was likely being sent down for the first time in his career..

Hard to really pin point it. I can't remember a prospect who's offense has dried up this much. Eakins still values him very highly. Spoke about his potential as being what he showed at the start of the year. A strong off-season can change everything for him. He certainly needs to work on his consistency and being a bit more selfish, but he still has time on his side to develop.

I actually think he's shown very well at the NHL - at least to the point where he belongs.

Continuing maturation and more experience at the pro level should help him. I expect he returns to the AHL for another season and gets more call-ups during the year. I don't see the need to jump on a 6'5 22-year-old for an obvious fall-off in his season. It was dramatic, so it raises questions, but I'm just willing to let things play out. Again, players of his size sometimes develop later.

Next season should be a good indicator of where he is in his development IMO. It'll be his third pro season and expectations will be high.

Well said. A strong playoff performance could also represent a big step forward...

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What is up with Colborne? Do you think he will be NHL-ready by next season?

I was very excited when we got Colborne, but I have heard very little about him since he has come here.

I was always hoping to have our #1 and #2 Cs as Kadri and Colborne.

With Kadri, at the very least he has been showered with media attention and we all know when he's performing well in the minors, and when he gets his call ups.

I feel Kadri was horribly underused by Wilson; however, I have a strong feeling that he will secure a top-six spot in next year's line-up and will be able to stay on the team and show what he is capable of.

But what about Colborne? How far has he come along in his development?
He played awesome at the start of the year, got hurt, and hasn't been quite as good since back.

I'm sure next year he'll be fine.

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04-08-2012, 08:36 PM
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seriously? that's your comparison? that's how you set the bar?

i'd suggest most people don't land their dream job until well into their 30s, perhaps even later. we're waiting that long for joe colborne?
I'm saying give the kids some patience. Not everyone is going to reach their potential by the time they're 21-22. A lot of NHLers don't manage to make the jump until their mid-twenties. How many times have we traded young guys only to wish we hadn't in the future?

Do I think we should wait for him until his 30s? No, but I'm certainly willing to give him more than a season and a bit in our system at the age of 22 before saying he'll never amount to more than a Dave Steckel.

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Thank you. Way too early to be talking about these guys as busts. How many posters on here achieved their dream jobs at 22?
How many people retire at 35? Weak comparison.

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I haven't seen nearly as much of the Marlies as I would have liked (5 games or so), but from what I saw Colbs didn't look bad. Great hands, great hockey sense, but was floating fairly obviously. He impressed me most once he got engaged down low cycling, did a great job controlling the puck and dictating play from back there. When I saw him his linemates were holding him back, they were having issues cycling and weren't doing much when Colbs got them the puck. But he impressed me in the limited sample size. I'm certainly not ready to give up on the kid or label him a disappointment.

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When Burke trade Kaberle for Colborne I thought I had read somewhere that he was initially pushing for Jordan Caron. Anyone else hear the same thing?

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When Burke trade Kaberle for Colborne I thought I had read somewhere that he was initially pushing for Jordan Caron. Anyone else hear the same thing?
No I don't, and to be frank I don't put much stock in your memory or words.

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No I don't, and to be frank I don't put much stock in your memory or words.
And you're being inflammatory because.....?

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And you're being inflammatory because.....?
I don't value posts such as yours. Search and find evidence supporting your musings and vague memories, don't just throw crap on the wall that is barely relevant to the thread and likely an attempt to try and find fault with the organization.

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I don't value posts such as yours. Search and find evidence supporting your musings and vague memories, don't just throw crap on the wall that is barely relevant to the thread and likely an attempt to try and find fault with the organization.
Take it easy there champ. I simply said I had thought he had initially insisted on Caron. Don't read more into it than what was written. I prefer Colborne to Caron. Juast asking if anyone had heard the same thing. Deep breath.

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Take it easy there champ. I simply said I had thought he had initially insisted on Caron. Don't read more into it than what was written. I prefer Colborne to Caron. Juast asking if anyone had heard the same thing. Deep breath.
I assure you that my breathing is regular and consistent. What you posted really isn't relevant to the thread or the discussion, and something that you are certainly capable of confirming for yourself. There's this wonderful thing called "Google", isn't the internet great?

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I assure you that my breathing is regular and consistent. What you posted really isn't relevant to the thread or the discussion, and something that you are certainly capable of confirming for yourself. There's this wonderful thing called "Google", isn't the internet great?
It was a minor sidetrack in the discussion. You seem to be the only one who has a beef with it. And if anything, this little back and forth is highjacking the discussion more than my initial comment ever did.

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this little back and forth is highjacking the discussion more than my initial comment ever did.
You're right. Is this you right now?


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You're right. Is this you right now?

Ok, I take it all back. I love Burke, Colborne is the next Joe Thornton and Burke is better than Ken Holland and Jesus combined. Can we be friends now?

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Ok, I take it all back. I love Burke, Colborne is the next Joe Thornton and Burke is better than Ken Holland and Jesus combined. Can we be friends now?
Nope, not enough optimism.

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Nope, not enough optimism.
Unfortunately that's the most I can muster at this time.

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