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04-08-2012, 09:59 PM
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Mike Komisarek & Randy Carlyle

Hey just a quick question, just wanting opinions not bashing comments...Been a Leaf fan since 1992 when Fuhr and Gilmour arrived in T.O., so I've been watching the Leafs for a quite a few years now. I remember when Komi signed with T.O, I thought it was an excellent pickup for the Leafs. Unfortunately, we all know how it's turned out thus far, but I think Ron Wilson has much to blame there. Komi was not allowed to play his game (rough/effective checking/shot blocking, etc.) I know alot of people want to see him gone, but I think he can pick up his game under Randy Carlyle. What do you think? Should he be gone, or should he be given a chance (a legitimate chance) under RC?

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RW system was not kind to Phaneuf, Schenn, Beauchemin and Komisarek.

Id keep him for now.

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If Komisarek could be moved, he would have been by now.

At this point, it would cost the Leafs assets to force a team to take on that contract.

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I want him gone. Even if he plays better under RC, he is still way overpaid.

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in my opinion, komi is dumb, another american who lacks hockey instincts, he is slow and often masquerades as a pylon, he is best when he plays physical but i think he has lost any aura of physical presence or intimidation since the lucic inflicted beatings, komi cant shoot, he cant carry the puck effectively as he seems incapable of stickhandling without looking at the puck at the same time, and he is unable to make an accurate first pass which is compounded by his aforementioned lack of hockey instinct

i dont see how carlyle changes any of this

the only mystery is why habs fans boo him in montreal, if he stayed there he probably would have got a comparable ufa inflated contract and saddled their team with the same cap pressures he has crucified us with, habs fans should give him a standing ovation everytime he touches the puck there as komi has done what the habs have sought to do to us ever since i have been a leaf fan - komi and his vernon wells like contract have destroyed our near term future

sorry i got over dramatic at the end but you know, what a ****** ****** season this was

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What do we have left? Two years?

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I think either Komisarek or Schenn will be moved this summer. Hopefully it will be Komisarek. If Komisarek was available, I'm sure at least one team would make an offer for him. He has two years left, and his actually salary is less for the remainder of his contract. With that said, I personally think Komisarek is a waste of a roster spot. He is too slow, makes bad reads, makes terrible passes, and can't hit the net. It's a shame that Franson had to sit out so many games this year. I was glad Komisarek played last night though as I though it would help the Leafs chances of losing, and it did.

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If the league grants each team a one time "amnesty buyout" then I think the Leafs need to use theirs on Komisarek, it would just be too good of an opportunity to get his contract off the books to pass up. If the league doesn't allow the one free buyout then he will finish out his contract as a Leaf because they sure as hell won't be able to find a taker for him via trade.

That said if he is still here next season I think his strengths will be accentuated by Randy Carlyle's system. I'm certainly not saying he will be worth his cap hit but he should be a useful player for us.

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Komi is an adequate defensive d-man, but we do not need him. It is made worse by his contract.

Consider that Holzer can do the same job as him, and in all likelihood, more effectively. Add to that the possibility of upgrading our D through FA signing (Suter, Schultz) and Komi is simply the worst of the bunch.

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As much flack as Komi gets, I have a feeling he'll be one of Carlyle's favorites. He's a third pairing dman that is very physical, a conditioning/fitness nut and works his ass off each day in practice.

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Komi is an adequate defensive d-man, but we do not need him. It is made worse by his contract.

Consider that Holzer can do the same job as him, and in all likelihood, more effectively. Add to that the possibility of upgrading our D through FA signing (Suter, Schultz) and Komi is simply the worst of the bunch.
With a NMC we can't exactly bury Komisarek in the minors, and unless some miraculous trade were to occur were stuck with him. It would probably be in our best interest to keep him for now and see what he can do next season with Carlyle's system. I know it doesnt seem like the best option and I'm all for bringing up Holzer as his replacements but I think its alot more likely Schenn will be moved.

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It's really not Wilson's fault or anyone else that Komisarek has a slow mind for the game, rudimentary puck skills and moves in slow motion. He had Andrei Markov to carry him when he succeeded and now he doesn't.

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Komisarek was victimized by Wilson's system. It was essentially trying to jam a square peg into a round hole.

He'll fit in much better with Carlyle. If you can somehow find a trade that makes sense with Komisarek that doesn't cause undue harm to the team, it would be wise to pursue that trade with some vigour. That being said, Komisarek's worst days are likely behind him in Toronto. He's had an absolutely nightmare set of circumstances in regards to injuries and setbacks, and even perfectly healthy he would have had limited success at best under Wilson's system due to the nature of what he offers and where he thrives.

Komisarek is going from a system where his strengths are minimized and flaws are enhanced to the inverse. His value to us will increase.

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randy carlysle is here for a short time not a long time

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With a NMC we can't exactly bury Komisarek in the minors, and unless some miraculous trade were to occur were stuck with him. It would probably be in our best interest to keep him for now and see what he can do next season with Carlyle's system. I know it doesnt seem like the best option and I'm all for bringing up Holzer as his replacements but I think its alot more likely Schenn will be moved.
ever hear of a "hunting accident"?

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Merely asking for someone to provide legitimate evidence for their claim.

I'm not going to pause my music to listen to your bad song. Make your asinine point some other way please.

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I'm about as big an anti-Komisarek person as there can be, but even I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll see better results from him playing in Carlyle's more rigid, defense first system. Wilson's system magnified all of Komisarek's shortcomings. For him to be of value to this team, he needs to be allowed to get back to what he does best and that's hitting anything that moves. Carlyle's system will allow him to do just that.

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Merely asking for someone to provide legitimate evidence for their claim.

I'm not going to pause my music to listen to your bad song. Make your asinine point some other way please.
relax, it was a joke, he quoted a song, sort of

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I'm quite confident in saying that Komisarek is the worst hockey player on an NHL roster. Carlyle implementing the trap won't make up for his terrible all around skills. He's not even a physical presence anymore, Lucic beat that out of him.

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I'm not a fan of Komi but I would want Carlisle's opinion on this. I would expect all our D to perform better with a coach that utilises the talent at hand as opposed to a coach that expects every d-man to be a Bourque clone.

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I'm quite confident in saying that Komisarek is the worst hockey player on an NHL roster. Carlyle implementing the trap won't make up for his terrible all around skills. He's not even a physical presence anymore, Lucic beat that out of him.
I agree with this except for the fact he picked a fight in his last game against the B's. Demon's exorcised? Perhaps Randy has helped him here. Doesn't mean that Carlisle wants him on the team long term though.

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I know he's got the NMC but has anyone actually asked Mike if he would give up his cab ride to the Air Canada Center for a bus ride to Peoria?

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