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11-28-2004, 10:41 PM
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maybe there is some hope!!!!

With the now-or-never point for real CBA negotiations rounding third and heading for home, NHL chief legal officer Bill Daly said hed consider any improved luxury tax offer from the union to be a step in the right direction even if it doesnt include a link with league-wide revenues.

It depends on what else it comes with, Daly told The Hockey News. I know a luxury tax by itself will not be acceptable to us, but lets take a look at how serious they are about addressing the issues and maybe we can formulate a response that moves us closer.


http://www.thn.com/en/headlines/deta...t=954945254360

if you combine this with what brooks said today (although it is brooks) maybe there is hope for a season.

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Hope? No way Ron Duguay.

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You have to look into more what hes trying to do...

He saids this: It depends on what else it comes with, Daly told The Hockey News. I know a luxury tax by itself will not be acceptable to us, but lets take a look at how serious they are about addressing the issues and maybe we can formulate a response that moves us closer.

Because now when he gets the new proposal from the NHLPA he or Bettman will say right away.. "They are not being SERIOUS with there offers and this is just an attempt to get the public on there side" or Something along those lines...that way even though the PA is doing the right thing they can still make fans believe the PA are not doing anything and are not serious in trying to bring back hockey.

Its just hopeless hope hes trying to bring to the fans that way he can crush it and blame the players. Screw u Daly and Bettman.

This is the Owners gameplan all along...break the NHLPA down..and getting the fans against the players is a great way to start that.

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Yeah the PA are totally on the up and up

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It is encouraging...

but of course I don't know what it really means when the league has demanded a cap on every occasion when the subject comes up. I would be very interested to know the luxury tax details that the NHLPA proposed originally. In my opinion, any serious luxury tax talks need to start around the upper $30 million range, and at some point be a dollar-for-dollar tax to be taken real serious. if it's some crazy 50% tax above $55 million, well then that's not a real proposal in my opinion.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=106361


We have said repeatedly that a proposal centered around a luxury tax will not work for us," NHL Vice President Bill Daly told TSN.



"A tax-based system is too unpredictable and the league's problems too severe for us to take chances on the future of the game. At the same time, we believe that a meaningful proposal from the union, as opposed to the regressive proposal they gave us on September 9, would be a positive development in the process, and we remain prepared to discuss and negotiate over anything and everything the union proposes."



Daly's comments to TSN were made in response to a written feature in The Hockey News suggesting that the league might consider an improved luxury tax even if it wasn't linked to its revenues.

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I love how DALY does all the interviews now because Bettman knows everyone hates him and the image looks bad with him representing the NHL...but we all know every word Daly is saying came stright from Bettman.

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Is Daly talking to himself...

meaning saying something in THN and rebutting it on TSN? Here's his THN quote: 'It depends on what else it comes with, Daly told The Hockey News. I know a luxury tax by itself will not be acceptable to us, but lets take a look at how serious they are about addressing the issues and maybe we can formulate a response that moves us closer'. So would a 10% rollback, tougher luxury penalties and lower thresholds, and revenue sharing be acceptable?

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I love how DALY does all the interviews now because Bettman knows everyone hates him and the image looks bad with him representing the NHL...but we all know every word Daly is saying came stright from Bettman.
to be fair bettmen has done more interviews than goodenow.

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Not only that

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meaning saying something in THN and rebutting it on TSN?
But is it me or is he contradicting himself as well?
Here he says:

"We have said repeatedly that a proposal centered around a luxury tax will not work for us"

And here he says:

"we remain prepared to discuss and negotiate over anything and everything the union proposes"

How can you say that something is not acceptable, and at the same time be prepared to negotiate over ANYTHING and EVERYTHING? Obviously it is not quite anything and everything.

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to be fair bettmen has done more interviews than goodenow.
Bettman is the Commissioner of Hockey. He should be out there a lot more than the head of the players' union.

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Bettman is the Commissioner of Hockey. He should be out there a lot more than the head of the players' union.
Bettman has been everywhere local radio in nhl towns, newspaper and magaizine interviews. Goodenow has been MIA to the fans in all this. Right now the commissioner of hockey is just as important as the head of the nhlpa.

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Bettman has been everywhere local radio in nhl towns, newspaper and magaizine interviews. Goodenow has been MIA to the fans in all this. Right now the commissioner of hockey is just as important as the head of the nhlpa.
EXACTLY! Bettman is doing all these little stints to gain SUPPORT to the owners...pretty easy to convince a bunch of viewers/listeners when you have nobody debating the other side....plus Bettman is 2 busy trying to gain support he isnt doing a damn thing to try to SOLVE the problem...which Goodenow and company are trying to do...but its VERY hard when one side are acting like little 5 year olds.

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Bettman isn't very popular at all. Not only do the players not like him, there are quite a few GMs who don't like him at all. I've heard of at least eight GMs who don't like him. Some of the names that have crept up about Bettman are Glen Sather, Bobby Clarke, Bob Gainey, Ken Holland, Craig Patrick, John Muckler, Dave Taylor, and Mike Barnett were the ones that I heard. And the one thing all of these GMs had problems with was that Bettman wasn't a hockey man and that he really didn't understand the game. If the NHL wanted a comissioner, why didn't they go with someone like Ken Dryden? I bet the GMs are having a hard time biting their tongue though because you can bet that those eight GMs could probably broker a deal with the union that would save the sport and franchises.

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How can you say that something is not acceptable, and at the same time be prepared to negotiate over ANYTHING and EVERYTHING? Obviously it is not quite anything and everything.
In other words he isn't going to ignore them. He might tell them a flat out "no" but they will get a response.

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