I know but I thought maybe this season would be part of that and the third would be the other part... But yeah, from what I've read now you're right, the 3rd book would be seasons 3 and 4. Gives them more time to wait on GRRM's ponderous schedule for the last 2 books but also might pose a bit of a problem with some of the child actors...
I know but I thought maybe this season would be part of that and the third would be the other part... But yeah, from what I've read now you're right, the 3rd book would be seasons 3 and 4. Gives them more time to wait on GRRM's ponderous schedule for the last 2 books but also might pose a bit of a problem with some of the child actors...
See The Killing for evidence of this. Linden's kid suddenly grew a head taller in one night.
Now, by no means am I advocating or supporting it, but incest and relationships of the type are a bit more common in the past. I would also caution the fact that it's only a Judeo-Christian time period where the stigma has been extremely prominent.
There's a large variety of historical examples of incest in royal components. it's certainly gross for a modern time, but for a historical notion, it's not.
Now, by no means am I advocating or supporting it, but incest and relationships of the type are a bit more common in the past. I would also caution the fact that it's only a Judeo-Christian time period where the stigma has been extremely prominent.
There's a large variety of historical examples of incest in royal components. it's certainly gross for a modern time, but for a historical notion, it's not.
Yes I think there's some psychological study behind it, something to do with living under the same roof in close proximity for an extended period of time turns off your sexual attraction to the person. It's why you might struggle with naughty improper thoughts about your sexy cousin who you only see at Christmas but would never think of your sister that way.
Putting that into perspective, while it doesn't excuse Jamie/Cersei it's easy to see how royal children could be kept with enough separation from each other to not develop the proper icky brother/sister mindset. Or someone like Craster who even in close quarters treats his women like servants/objects/property, when a baby is born he never steps into a fatherly role but just pushes it aside for the women to raise and never develops the proper parental attachment. It's sick in people terms but that's pretty much how lion's (see: African Cats) and other alpha-male animal species live.
I'm really confused. At first it sounded like they were going to marry and have kids (and then grand-kids) and then boom near the end of the episode she turns out to be his sister?
So the plan was for the brother and sister to marry? Did the father beat his son to it (because he isn't worthy anymore)?
Try to avoid a spoiler like 'they hook up', 'they don't'. I'm just trying to understand what the future plans of the Greyjoys are, not what actually happens in the books or in the direction the TV show wants to take it.
I'm really confused. At first it sounded like they were going to marry and have kids (and then grand-kids) and then boom near the end of the episode she turns out to be his sister?
So the plan was for the brother and sister to marry? Did the father beat his son to it (because he isn't worthy anymore)?
Try to avoid a spoiler like 'they hook up', 'they don't'. I'm just trying to understand what the future plans of the Greyjoys are, not what actually happens in the books or in the direction the TV show wants to take it.
Theon thinks he is a player and was just trying to charm her and bed her, not realizing it was his sister. She played him and made him look like an idiot. His family thinks he is weak landlubber who is soft and girly, not to mention foolish, due to his upbringing in Winterfell and not back home.
Theon thinks he is a player and was just trying to charm her and bed her, not realizing it was his sister. She played him and made him look like an idiot. His family thinks he is weak landlubber who is soft and girly, not to mention foolish, due to his upbringing in Winterfell and not back home.
Ok thanks that makes sense. It kind of came out of nowhere on the TV show. I wasn't even sure at first even when she walked into the room with father/son.
Ok thanks that makes sense. It kind of came out of nowhere on the TV show. I wasn't even sure at first even when she walked into the room with father/son.
No problem, I wouldn't have picked up on it either. It happened quickly
I wasn't a fan of it, the whole point was that Tyrion wanted to recruit a guy who had a moral compass to lead the City Watch in the books.
Yeah, I didn't really like it either, but you can't expect them to introduce every minor character and still have non-book viewers recognize them and have an emotional attachment to them (Bywater was awesome, and I loved him, but ultimately, I don't think the audience would've cared whether he lived or died one bit).
Speaking of other (minor) roles, I was shocked to see they casted
For anyone interested, D.B. Weiss (one of the showrunners) gave an interview after the renewal announcement that addressed some of the questions brought up here:
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"I would say that, going forward, 10-episode seasons are really all that are possible, given our 12-month [production] cycle," Weiss said. "For this show specifically, it's really all we can do to do 10 of them in a year. I would say not to expect more than 10 a season any time in the near future ... We had always planned on a 10-episode season [for the show's third year]."
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The question was partly prompted by the theory that the show would need two seasons to deal with "A Storm of Swords," the third book in Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" novel series. But fans of the shows (and books) should not presume that certain seasons will deal with certain books, Weiss said. He said the plan that he and Benioff have involves taking on sections of the overall saga that make sense in 10-episode installments.
"We've always said that we see the show as an adaptation of George's series, not this book or that book," Weiss explained. "It's definitely true that 'A Storm of Swords' is too big to even come close to fitting in one season. We've done some shuffling around of things -- as an example, there were some things from Book 2 that ended up in Season 1, and there are probably going to be some things in Book 2 that didn't make it into Season 2 or maybe won't show up later. Book 3 is definitely too much for a 10-episode season, so we're taking the long view of the series of the whole, and trying to do as much justice as possible to George's overall epic story and be as true to the spirit as we can, while keeping it an exciting and viable and vivid as a television show that stands on its own two legs."
That is interesting. I'm curious about their adaptations in the future. Gives me something to look for while watching the show.
How would you guys compare the first two episodes of Season 1 and Season 2?
I thought the first couple episodes of Season 1 were generally good but a little clunky in terms of the exposition -- just because they had to introduce so many characters and familiarize people with the world, a lot of the dialogue was kind of contrived (people explaining things to one another, etc.) I think the first couple episodes of this season have had a bit of the same issue with having to introduce all the new locales/characters (Stannis & co., the Iron Islands, Craster's, etc.) They've been good but haven't blown me away. I expect it's going to pick up mid-season, much like last year.
