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04-10-2012, 09:42 AM
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Vokoun is the #1 for the Caps, it isn't changing.
Vokoun has played his last game as a Capital.

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The 35-year-old Czech did extensive stretching and then tested his injured groin with hard stops and starts, as well as sliding motions across the crease. At one point, Vokoun skated over to the bench to consult with athletic trainer Ben Reisz and shook his head in apparent disapproval of how he responded to the exercise.

Vokoun is 25-17-2 this season with a .917 save percentage and 2.51 goals-against average but at this point there remains no timetable for his return. General Manager George McPhee didn’t offer any details about when the Capitals might expect the goaltender back, only to say Vokoun’s recovery is behind Michal Neuvirth’s.
And Neuvirth probably has this season as well.

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Caps goalie Neuvirth (lower body) just took 12 warmup shots from Perreault. Neuvy went down in butterfly, but moved very cautiously.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capitals-insider From this morning.

The net is Holtby's until he gets hurt.

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All you caps fans can thank Sturm for potentially extending your post season.

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Why was my post deleted from this thread? I brought up a valid point without breaking any site rules. Whichever mod removed my post please and kindly PM me an explanation...

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All you caps fans can thank Sturm for potentially extending your post season.
He was never well liked here to begin with. Worst waiver wire pick up I've seen in awhile.

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Mods on this board are basically little girls If you're surprised you haven't been here long

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Even if Holtby wins the first round for the Caps, he'll fade in the second / third rounds similar to how Varlamov did a few years back with the Penguins. I'd be more comfortable picking for Holtby to win the series if he hadn't played as many games this year as he had. That element of surprise can win you 4 games, but it won't generally sustain itself.

(I did pick Caps over Bruins, so I think their team is good enough. OV is going to beast mode. Even if the Caps were to win it all, the Conn Smythe wouldn't be going to their goaltender.)

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And Neuvirth probably has this season as well.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capitals-insider From this morning.

The net is Holtby's until he gets hurt.
I see no reason to think Neuvy is done for the year. He's already back on the ice and taking shots, and you say he's done? Will he be back for game 1? No, but he could be back sometime during the series.

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I see no reason to think Neuvy is done for the year. He's already back on the ice and taking shots, and you say he's done? Will he be back for game 1? No, but he could be back sometime during the series.
Effectively done. I agree with that sentiment. By the time he's ready, we probably won't need him (Holtby extended the series to 7 or further, we stick with Holtby) If Holtby doesn't, we'll be out before he's ready. So he's effectively played his last game. He's not definitely out, but neither is Vokoun and he said the same thing about him.

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Maybe, but I think it would be more realistic to expect a Varlamov 2009 performance where he carries the team through a round (or even two) before he starts to get mentally and physically worn down. The play offs are a lot different than the south east division, he's going to have to face a tough team every night. This is the first year in a while that I haven't seen the Caps as legitimate contenders and Holtby isn't going to change my mind just yet.

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14-4, .929 SV%, 2.02 GAA, 22 years old.

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Holtby: .922 sv%
Fleury: .913 sv%
Much smaller sample of games (18 compared to 67) in an easier conference. Fleury also had to play with the majority of his defence out at one point for a good stretch. He was playing with an AHL defence against the likes of the Rangers, Flyers etc.

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If there's one thing I love about HF, it's the incredibly lofty and optimistic comparisons before a single game of the playoffs even starts.

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Ward had a better team in front of him, IMO

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Much smaller sample of games (18 compared to 67) in an easier conference. Fleury also had to play with the majority of his defence out at one point for a good stretch. He was playing with an AHL defence against the likes of the Rangers, Flyers etc.
Never extrapolate stats, unless of course it is to say the Crosby will have 160 points in 82 games.

Seriously Holtby is gonna get crushed this series, if not actually by a Bruin, then mentally from the pressure and amount of shots, etc.

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Never extrapolate stats, unless of course it is to say the Crosby will have 160 points in 82 games.

Seriously Holtby is gonna get crushed this series, if not actually by a Bruin, then mentally from the pressure and amount of shots, etc.
One thing I'm not worried about, anyone who tries to run Holtby is going to be trucked.

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Vokoun has played his last game as a Capital.



And Neuvirth probably has this season as well.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capitals-insider From this morning.

The net is Holtby's until he gets hurt.
It's weird to me that after finally signing a stellar goalie in Vokoun does he not play that well and get injured. Seems to be the Caps luck with goalies... I guess the only bright spot is he was signed at a very nice contract so it's not like they lost out or have him signed for many years at a huge cap hit to worry about.

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Ward had a better team in front of him, IMO
Certainly not from a pedigree standpoint. The Canes blue line that year was basically a bunch of mid level guys that played well together.

The Caps definitely have the potential to put it all together. Will they?

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It's weird to me that after finally signing a stellar goalie in Vokoun does he not play that well and get injured. Seems to be the Caps luck with goalies... I guess the only bright spot is he was signed at a very nice contract so it's not like they lost out or have him signed for many years at a huge cap hit to worry about.
Feel like that was just bound to happen at some point to him. I mean yeah, bad luck it was us, but whatever. "You get what you pay for". Big joke around our parts.

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If there's one thing I love about HF, it's the incredibly lofty and optimistic comparisons before a single game of the playoffs even starts.
Thats the whole point of the thread... to see if theres a possibility that it could happen.
Nobody said he IS Cam ward of 2006. Hence the QUESTION MARK.

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Washington's defence is coached too terribad for that to happen unfortunately.

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Thats the whole point of the thread... to see if theres a possibility that it could happen.
Nobody said he IS Cam ward of 2006. Hence the QUESTION MARK.
Then it isn't a question worth asking. Is it a possibility? Sure. Is it possible that he'll decide to quit hockey and start up an alpaca farm? Yeah.

A few superficial similarities mean nothing.

Cody Hodgson: 6' 185 lbs. From Ontario.
Wayne Gretzky: 6' 185 lbs. From Ontario.

Is Cody Hodgson the next Wayne Gretzky?!

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Then it isn't a question worth asking. Is it a possibility? Sure. Is it possible that he'll decide to quit hockey and start up an alpaca farm? Yeah.

A few superficial similarities mean nothing.

Cody Hodgson: 6' 185 lbs. From Ontario.
Wayne Gretzky: 6' 185 lbs. From Ontario.

Is Cody Hodgson the next Wayne Gretzky?!

The similarities are that they are both young goalies who weren't the starters during the regular season, thrust into the starting job in the playoffs, as rookies.

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The similarities are that they are both young goalies who weren't the starters during the regular season, thrust into the starting job in the playoffs, as rookies.
Which are all superficial similarities. The reason Cam Ward is memorable is because he was phenomenal in the playoffs and won the Smythe. If Holtby gets out of the first round and puts up equally impressive numbers, THEN the comparisons can start. Until then, as a previous poster said, they're both goalies. The (relevant) comparison ends there.

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Which are all superficial similarities. The reason Cam Ward is memorable is because he was phenomenal in the playoffs and won the Smythe. If Holtby gets out of the first round and puts up equally impressive numbers, THEN the comparisons can start. Until then, as a previous poster said, they're both goalies. The (relevant) comparison ends there.
Not if you are comparing Holtby to Ward on the eve of his first playoff start, which I think is the context here. No one is saying Holtby will repeat Wards performance.

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Not if you are comparing Holtby to Ward on the eve of his first playoff start, which I think is the context here. No one is saying Holtby will repeat Wards performance.
In that case, it still doesn't apply. If I recall correctly, Ward came in after two games with his team down two games to none due to Gerber struggling, not injuries. The comparison is a shaky one at best.

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In that case, it still doesn't apply. If I recall correctly, Ward came in after two games with his team down two games to none due to Gerber struggling, not injuries. The comparison is a shaky one at best.
I agree. This thread is beyond silly.

A young promising back-up is starting for a playoff team. Quick! Let's compare him to every great goaltender who has started his career in the same way. How about comparing him to all the young goaltenders who failed miserably in the same situation?

Better yet - let's just let him play some games and see what happens.

I think the kid has real talent. If the Caps get swept this series, I'll still look forward to seeing what the kid can do next year.

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