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The Official 2012 Draft Thread: Part VII | OILERS WIN THE LOTTERY!

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Part I: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=969315
Part II: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...080917&page=27
Part III: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1087899
Part IV: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1107243
Part V: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1133325
Part VI: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1149525

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*Disclaimer: This thread is about draft eligible players for the 2012 NHL Entry Draft, not to discuss where we'll finish in the standings, our legitimacy as a play-off team or anything of that matter.*



I thought I would kick off our first official 2012 draft thread with my own Top 10.

The first three columns are the player's rankings with Redline Report, Future Considerations and International Scouting Service.



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Nail Yakupov - W
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  1 1 2 F Nail Yakupov 06-OCT-93 5.11 180 L Sarnia Sting RUS OHL 65 49 52 101 -2  


Strengths:
-Explosive skater
-Slippery
-Quick hands and creativity
-Great shot
-Plays bigger than his 5'11'' frame
-Very effective in the dirty areas

Comparable:
-A smaller Alexander Ovechkin


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Ryan Murray - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  3 2 3 D Ryan Murray 27-SEP-93 6.00 182 L Everett Silvertips CAN WHL 70 6 40 46 +18  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Great puck-moving ability
-Positionally and defensively solid
-Leadership

Comparable:
-Scott Niedermayer


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Nick Ebert - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  2 4 6 D Nick Ebert 11-MAY-94 6.00 195 R Windsor Spitfires USA OHL 64 11 30 41 -2  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Very physical
-Great puck-moving ability
-Very good positionally and defensively solid

Comparable:
-Drew Doughty


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Mikhail Grigorenko - C
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  11 5 1 F Mikhail Grigorenko 16-MAY-94 6.02 192 L CSKA Moscow RUS MHL 43 17 18 35 +9  


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good skater
-Great playmaking skills
-Good shot
-Committed two-way center

Comparable:
-Evgeni Malkin


[#5]
 
Alex Galchenyuk - C
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  7 3 9 F Alex Galchenyuk 12-FEB-94 6.00 185 L Sarnia Sting OHL 68 31 52 83 -8


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good skater
-Strong on the puck
-Great shot
-Very defensively responsible

Comparable:
-Marian Hossa


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Filip Forsberg - W
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  18 9 4 F Filip Forsberg 13-AUG-94 6.01 176 R Leksand SWE SuperElit 36 21 19 40 +30  


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good playmaker
-Great shot
-Strong on his skates
-Explosive skater

Comparable:
Patrick Marleau


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Griffin Reinhart - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  4 8 7 D Griffin Reinhart 24-JAN-94 6.04 202 L Edmonton Oil Kings CAN WHL 45 6 19 25 +7


Strengths:
-Great size
-Smooth skater
-Good puck-moving ability
-Gritty
-Big Shot

Comparable
Ed Jovanovski


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Morgan Rielly - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  10 7 12 D Morgan Rielly 09-MAR-94 6.00 190 L Moose Jaw Warriors CAN WHL 65 6 22 28 -15    


Strengths:
-Smooth skater
-Great puck-moving ability
-Loads of patience/poise
-Great shot
-Good defender

Comparable:
Brian Rafalski


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Jacob Trouba - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  6 6 5 D Jacob Trouba 26-FEB-94 6.01 183 R USA NTDP U17 USA 37 6 13 19 -  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Good puck-moving ability
-Big shot
-Very physical, loves to initiate contact
-Loads of grit

Comparable:
Erik Johnson


[#10]
 
Matt Dumba - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  12 10 14 D Mathew Dumba 25-JUL-94 5.11 172 R Red Deer Rebels CAN WHL 62 15 11 26 +24   


Strengths:
-Explosive skater
-Big shot
-Great puck-rushing ability
-Great open-ice hitter
-Very physical, loves to initiate contact

Comparable:
P.K. Subban





Let the discussion begin!

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A few posts from the last thread.

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Last time we drafted a Russian in the first round? 2000

Last time we drafted a defender in the first round without having already drafted a forward? 1989

(Recent) history will be made!
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next season will be seven years since the Oilers almost won the Cup...what is 1+0+6...?

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Love the positivity, that's about all I can say though.
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I've only seen him play twice, but IMO whoever takes Ceci in the 6-8 range ahead of guys like Trouba, Dumba, or Reinhart will end up very disappointed.

In the games I watched his skating was average at best, he wasn't particularly sound in his own end, and other than a few good shots from the point his offense didn't look anywhere near dynamic.

I suppose he does quite a few things reasonably well, but I don't even like him as much as I liked Schenn going into his draft, and we all know how well he has played since then.
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Regardless of position, I think the Western Canadian/possible BPA thing going on makes it, in my opinion, likely that the Oilers are looking at a guy like Ryan Murray at #2.

Final answer. For now.
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Yeah I think Murray is the odds on favorite as the pick. If Grigorenko really explodes for the rest of the playoffs that could change things.
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I'm just really happy were going to end up with Yakupov, Grigorenko or Murray tbh.

I have my fingers crossed we can win the lotto though, Yak is on a completely different level then the others, just watch a highlight video, guy is unbelievable.

Who do you guys think CBJ takes if they end up drafting 2nd instead of 1st?

#1 Overall Team - Yakupov
CBJ - ???
Edmonton - ???

If the lottery went that way do you see CBJ taking Grigo or Murray or who?

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Not a big fan of Murray. But admittedly I dont have a lot of viewings. I would rather have a western Canadian kid instead of a Russian, and I would be happy taking a dman.

I would rather have Dumba or possibly even Reinhart but it is what it is.

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I've wanted Murray for a few months now. I hope he is available when we pick.

Also: 2nd overall has never won the draft lottery. So it's about time for it to happen.

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Not a big fan of Murray. But admittedly I dont have a lot of viewings. I would rather have a western Canadian kid instead of a Russian, and I would be happy taking a dman.

I would rather have Dumba or possibly even Reinhart but it is what it is.
If we are in the position to take Yakupov and select someone else over him we deserve 15 more years of rebuilding, guy is head and shoulders above the rest of the crop and it would be a mistake to not take him because of nationality.

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Not a big fan of Murray. But admittedly I dont have a lot of viewings. I would rather have a western Canadian kid instead of a Russian, and I would be happy taking a dman.

I would rather have Dumba or possibly even Reinhart but it is what it is.
dont need a top 5 pick for those 2. Hopefully Tambo swings a deal with WSH if one of these 2 are around by COL's pick (#11).

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If we are in the position to take Yakupov and select someone else over him we deserve 15 more years of rebuilding, guy is head and shoulders above the rest of the crop and it would be a mistake to not take him because of nationality.
The chances of us having a shot at Yakupov are too remote to talk about right now.

We could cross that bridge if/when it happens.

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dont need a top 5 pick for those 2. Hopefully Tambo swings a deal with WSH if one of these 2 are around by COL's pick (#11).
Neither of them will be around at 11. I would be shocked.

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Partially surprised that the last thread made it to 1k before the lottery day.

Over/Under on how many threads we hit before the actual selection set at 12 threads.

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Not a big fan of Murray. But admittedly I dont have a lot of viewings. I would rather have a western Canadian kid instead of a Russian, and I would be happy taking a dman.

I would rather have Dumba or possibly even Reinhart but it is what it is.
I find it frustrating how people seem to think that Grigorenko is going anywhere in the draft except top 3. No other team would pass on the talent that is Mikhail Grigorenko simply because hes russian. Russians can successful in this league look at ovi malkin kovy khabi, even prospects like kuznetsov.

If Yakupov goes 1st then bpa available to the oilers at #2 will be Mikhail Grigorenko. With a draft pick this high its bpa>needs.

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Neither of them will be around at 11. I would be shocked.
D men can sometimes mysteriously fall. If Dumba doesn't play great at the U18s maybe he is taken further down than expected. Fowler, Gormley, Hamilton, all taken much later than HF expected.

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I find it frustrating how people seem to think that Grigorenko is going anywhere in the draft except top 3. No other team would pass on the talent that is Mikhail Grigorenko simply because hes russian. Russians can successful in this league look at ovi malkin kovy khabi, even prospects like kuznetsov.

If Yakupov goes 1st then bpa available to the oilers at #2 will be Mikhail Grigorenko. With a draft pick this high its bpa>needs.
I understand your point but this is a really bad example to bring up.

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I find it frustrating how people seem to think that Grigorenko is going anywhere in the draft except top 3. No other team would pass on the talent that is Mikhail Grigorenko simply because hes russian. Russians can successful in this league look at ovi malkin kovy khabi, even prospects like kuznetsov.

If Yakupov goes 1st then bpa available to the oilers at #2 will be Mikhail Grigorenko. With a draft pick this high its bpa>needs.
Sounds like Grigerenko being the BPA at #2 isn't a feeling shared by some of the major scouting agencies.

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I wonder... If Dumba drops (heh), I wonder if we could pull off a trade to bring him here, prospect for mid-round pick...

Even if we pick up Murray, Murray + Dumba = happy.

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The chances of us having a shot at Yakupov are too remote to talk about right now.

We could cross that bridge if/when it happens.
I don't know, it's certainly more likely than not that they don't win the lottery, but 18.8% isn't THAT remote. If they win the lottery, I'd be pretty surprised if the Oilers do anything but select Yakupov at #1, but I guess like everything, it depends what options are available.

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Sounds like Grigerenko being the BPA at #2 isn't a feeling shared by some of the major scouting agencies.
Grigorenko outscored Galchenyuk playing less games and Galch had yakupov on his wing. That says volumes.

Grigorenko projects to be a Jason Spezza type player. Size speed skill and good defensively. How can you say no 6'3" 200+ pounder number 1 c like that?

Unless Murray is top tier, like Pietrangelo OEL etc hes not worth taking over Grigorenko. Stu would have to be absolutely sure. My guess is Murray will be like a Myers. Good enough, but not a star.

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I understand your point but this is a really bad example to bring up.
Is it because hes in the khl still? if so that's because hes still developing. Thats like saying klefbom wont be an oiler because hes playing for Färjestads.

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I don't know, it's certainly more likely than not that they don't win the lottery, but 18.8% isn't THAT remote. If they win the lottery, I'd be pretty surprised if the Oilers do anything but select Yakupov at #1, but I guess like everything, it depends what options are available.
also add in the chance that the CBJ select someone other than Yakupov.
Size, injury history, current playoffs and the combine results can still move someone else at the top.

Like many before him <Esposito, Couturier> a stellar season as 16yo followed by a not so great draft year after can lower ur ranking.

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Is it because hes in the khl still? if so that's because hes still developing. Thats like saying klefbom wont be an oiler because hes playing for Färjestads.
It's not currently playing there that's scary, it's the rumor that there was a 10 year deal floating around for him and he was talking about staying in the KHL for that duration, never coming over to the NHL. Not a huge deal because his situation is very different from Yakupov's and Grigorenko's.

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Grigorenko outscored Galchenyuk playing less games and Galch had yakupov on his wing. That says volumes.

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different league. Isnt QMJHL supposedly more wide open? unless it changed from when we had Slava Trukhno.

Also, there are better players then Yakupov in CHL. Grigorenko was tied for 4 on his team in scoring in playoffs this post season. He mustve had decent older teammates that passed him the puck too.

Yakupov did not make Galchenyuk good.

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Columbus wins the lottery. Oilers retain 2nd.

CBJ takes Yakupov, Oilers take Murray, Montreal takes Grigorenko.

Next week's winning lottery numbers are 8, 17, 23, 28, 31, and 42.

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So what happened to Nick Ebert? He was fairly highly ranked yet the latest Central Scouting report has him at 96.

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Yknow now that I really think about it, I really hope we take Murray #2. Grigorenko just gives me a bit of an eerie feeling with everything I've heard about him. Lazy or low on work ethic is a terrible trait to carry as a prospect.

The Oilers are visibly high on western Canadian kids - Murray would be the optimal choice. Obviously if we win the lottery or Columbus passes on Yakupov, we have to take him no questions asked. The 32/31 pick is intriguing, however. If Samuelsson is available then, do we select him?

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different league. Isnt QMJHL supposedly more wide open? unless it changed from when we had Slava Trukhno.

Also, there are better players then Yakupov in CHL. Grigorenko was tied for 4 on his team in scoring in playoffs this post season. He mustve had decent older teammates that passed him the puck too.

Yakupov did not make Galchenyuk good.
Grigorenko had the highest ppg on his team. He played 2nd line in the playoffs and still was able to put up above ppg. He may have a better team but that doesn't matter at the time your on the ice there's only 5 other guys on your team. Grigs linemates were average, galch had yakupov. Having a better player play beside you wont inflate your stats and make you look better?

They're relatively similar the qmjhl, whl and chl. Thus the memorial cup.

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Yknow now that I really think about it, I really hope we take Murray #2. Grigorenko just gives me a bit of an eerie feeling with everything I've heard about him. Lazy or low on work ethic is a terrible trait to carry as a prospect.

The Oilers are visibly high on western Canadian kids - Murray would be the optimal choice. Obviously if we win the lottery or Columbus passes on Yakupov, we have to take him no questions asked. The 32/31 pick is intriguing, however. If Samuelsson is available then, do we select him?
Yes, I sure hope we do. I really am high on this guy. He's physical, plays like a real man, just what this team needs and we can watch him grow up in our backyard!

Putting him on a line with Hart? That would be great.

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