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04-10-2012, 09:31 AM
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Not at all. It is garbage for the reasons I stated. Moroz over Samuelsson. Sautner over Corbett.

Lets wait and see where they are drafted.
I agree that the list is silly but i'm just interested as to why you liked Button's list so much which is just as silly. Come on man, fess up. The truth will set you free.

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Yep. Usual ********, they'll show the 5 GM's for a few minutes, talk to one about their unbelievably brutal season, and then show some highlights of prospects that every person that will be watching this show has already seen.
I thought they were doing Bob's top 10 prospects 1st?

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04-10-2012, 09:44 AM
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I agree that the list is silly but i'm just interested as to why you liked Button's list so much which is just as silly. Come on man, fess up. The truth will set you free.
Youre going to have to be specific about why you think Button's list is silly.

Keep in mind that he has seen ALL these players play live.

And he gets called silly or stupid, or an idiot by people on message boards that havent seen any of the players play at all, live or otherwise.

That is silly.

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The chances of us having a shot at Yakupov are too remote to talk about right now.

We could cross that bridge if/when it happens.
A 1 in 5 chance is too remote?

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Youre going to have to be specific about why you think Button's list is silly.
I'll have to take a look again but i do remember being puzzled by some of his selections. I believe that he had Finn in his top 10 for one, i'll take a look again and get back to you.
You gotta admit that a big reason why you don't like this list is because it has Murray at 2, Reinhart at 10, Dumba at 11 and Samuelsson so low.
If it was Dumba at 2, Reinhart at 3 and Murray at 11, something tells me that you wouldn't be that upset.

Ok, Button had Grigorenko at 7, Finn at 8, Ceci at 9, Murray at 10 and the rest of his 1st round is all over the map. I don't even need to go into more detail. That is pure ridiculousness right there.
He has his opinion just like CSS but it's definitely a lot different than any other list so why do you dismiss the CSS list as garbage but not Button's list..

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04-10-2012, 09:49 AM
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''The first round featured a lot of physical and dirty play. In this series, we are playing real hockey, without the cheap shots. It's a style I am more comfortable with. I wasn't ready for the style of hockey we faced in that 1st round, but I am well prepared for the 2nd round. It's easier for me mentally.''

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translation; "I am ready to join the Habs."

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Where's that quote from?

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Where's that quote from?
Someone posted it on the prospects board.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/...e-dun-cran.php

http://www.journaldequebec.com/2012/...sse-au-3e-rang

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translation; "I am ready to join the Habs."
hahahaha

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So...was the quote basically a Russian speaking English, translated into French, then translated back into English?

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Based on that quote...I would not draft him.

Honesly, I just want us to draft someone who is competetive and hungry to win. Skill is a bit secondary for me at this point. We have a lot of skill, what we need is more Kesler, Lucic, Marchand, Perry, etc. That player might well be Dumba. It might also be Forsberg, although I have to admit to not having seen much of him.

I'd be willing to trade down.

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translation: i didnt expect the dirty style of hockey in the first round, i do now and am prepared for the next round.


how can you interpret that any other way?

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I hope the oilers win the draft lottery, mostly so I can watch in amusement as HF explodes.

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I forgot that the draft is still a long ways away but I really hope they can get another pick in the first round. Walking away with Grigorenko and Rielly or Murray and Faksa would be amazing. Gagner + Whitney + 2nd round pick could get us a fairly good pick I think.

Trading Gagner and Whitney for picks might set us back a little but they aren't exactly lighting the world on fire and besides, I believe Lander will be ready for the NHL full-time next season and he can fill that #2 center spot if the center we draft isn't ready. As for Whitney, we got some good dmen coming up who could impress in training camp and don't forget Fedun.
Tradin Gagner, Whitney and our 2nd rounder for "a fairly good pick" is a trade you only do if your goal is to build a bad hockey team.

You're overestimating youth and potential in the idea that any good prospect will simply replace established NHLers along with the dream that gambling with a draft pick will net you a better player. The reason this seems like a good idea is because it's funner to hope for the future success of a player than see the reality of what they turn into.

But hope and potential doesn't win hockey games.

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translation: i didnt expect the dirty style of hockey in the first round, i do now and am prepared for the next round.


how can you interpret that any other way?
Really?
You can't see another way to interpret that quote?

Gimme a break

His scouting reports combined with that quote definitely raise questions about his compete level. No NHL team wants to hear how he is uncomfortable with physical playoff hockey.

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04-10-2012, 10:45 AM
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Grigorenko's quote in itself sets off red flags for me. We have to remember that the Oilers will interview all possible prospects and hopefully get a real good read on their personalities.

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04-10-2012, 10:51 AM
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I'll have to take a look again but i do remember being puzzled by some of his selections.

Ok, Button had Grigorenko at 7, Finn at 8, Ceci at 9, Murray at 10 and the rest of his 1st round is all over the map. I don't even need to go into more detail. That is pure ridiculousness right there.
He has his opinion just like CSS but it's definitely a lot different than any other list so why do you dismiss the CSS list as garbage but not Button's list..
When Button posted his list last year, everyone laughed at him. He had Larsson at #4, when everyone said he would go 1 or 2, and Couturier near the end of the top 10, when everyone said he would be top 3/5.

Yet he nailed the draft order of the first 4 picks, and had all the top 7 or 8 players. That's pretty impressive.



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Really?
You can't see another way to interpret that quote?

Gimme a break

His scouting reports combined with that quote definitely raise questions about his compete level. No NHL team wants to hear how he is uncomfortable with physical playoff hockey.
So he doesn't like cheap bush-league hockey? Neither do I. European hockey is different than Canadian hockey. Personally I would rather see some Datsyukian skill over a 'good ole' Canadian Matt Cooke cheapshot anyday. Not to mention the quote has been translated many times over.

Have you never heard a star player comment on reacting to being the focus of the opposition? Doesn't hurt Grig's stock one bit.

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I still think we have enough talent up front. Grigorenko doesn't exactly bring the leadership or grit we need in the top 6. At this point if we are drafting by need it's gotta be a defenceman.

Having said that, Russian factor and work ethic aside, he's probably the BPA.

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translation: i didnt expect the dirty style of hockey in the first round, i do now and am prepared for the next round.


how can you interpret that any other way?
Agreed. No issue with the statement at all. On top of that, aren't his offensive stats still solid even though he has admitted to being thrown off by bush league hockey?

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Really?
You can't see another way to interpret that quote?

Gimme a break

His scouting reports combined with that quote definitely raise questions about his compete level. No NHL team wants to hear how he is uncomfortable with physical playoff hockey.
he clearly says that he doesnt play that dirty style of hockey, he doesnt say "im scared to bits, i cant handle it" he says he doesnt play that style, as in he doesnt need to play dirty in return.

seems like a lot of wishful thinking if you ask me. trying to paint someone soft when there is no evidence of it. did you even watch the series? he wasn't hiding.

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off the top of my head here are some players who also do not engage in cheapshot hockey

yzerman
sakic
lidstrom
toews
Zetterberg
neidermayer
b. richards


notice a trend?

all won a conn smythe trophy

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When Button posted his list last year, everyone laughed at him. He had Larsson at #4, when everyone said he would go 1 or 2, and Couturier near the end of the top 10, when everyone said he would be top 3/5.

Yet he nailed the draft order of the first 4 picks, and had all the top 7 or 8 players. That's pretty impressive.
Mmmm.... are you sure? This is what I have saved for Craig Button:

1. RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS C 6'0 170 L Apr. 12/93 Red Deer WHL
2. JONATHAN HUBERDEAU C 6'1 168 L June 4/93 Saint John QMJHL
3. GABRIEL LANDESKOG LW 6'0 207 L Nov. 23/92 Kitchener OHL
4. RYAN MURPHY D 5'10 176 R Mar. 31/93 Kitchener OHL
5. ADAM LARSSON D 6'3 200 R Nov. 12/92 Skelleftea SweE
6. MIKA ZIBANEJAD C 6'0 183 R Apr. 18/93 Djurgarden SJ18A
7. SEAN COUTURIER C 6'4 195 L Dec. 12/92 Drummondville QMJHL
8. NATHAN BEAULIEU D 6'1 176 L Dec. 5/92 Saint John QMJHL
9. RYAN STROME C 6'0 183 R July 11/93 Niagara OHL
10. JAMIESON OLEKSIAK D 6'7 244 L Dec. 21/92 Northeastern H.E,
11. DOUGIE HAMILTON D 6'4 193 R Jun. 17/93 Niagara OHL
12. SVEN BARTSCHI LW 5'11 175 L Oct. 5/92 Portland WHL
13. MATTHEW PUEMPEL LW 6'0 198 L Jan. 24/93 Peterborough OHL
14. MARK SCHEIFELE C 6'2 177 R Mar. 15/93 Barrie OHL
15. JONAS BRODIN D 6'1 165 L July 12/93 Farjestad Sweden
16. PHILLIP DANAULT LW 6'0 178 L Feb. 24/93 Victoriaville QMJHL
17. JOEL ARMIA RW 6'3 191 R May 31/93 Assat FinE
18. NIKITA KUCHEROV W 5'10 163 R June 17/93 CSKA 2 Russia-Jr.
19. BRANDON SAAD LW 6'1 208 L Oct. 27/92 Saginaw OHL
20. ZACK PHILLIPS C 6'1 181 R Oct. 28/92 Saint John QMJHL
21. TOMAS JURCO RW 6'2 193 L Dec. 28/92 Saint John QMJHL
22. OSCAR KLEFBLOM C 6'3 200 D July 20/93 Farjestad Sweden
23. VLADISLAV NAMESTNIKOV F 5'11 170 L Nov. 22/92 London OHL
24. TY RATTIE LW 5'11 170 R Feb. 5/93 Portland WHL
25. JOSEPH MORROW D 6'0 196 L Dec. 9/92 Portland WHL
26. CONNOR MURPHY D 6'2 185 R Mar. 26/93 USA U-18 USHL
27. NICKLAS JENSEN F 6'2 188 L Mar. 6/93 Oshawa OHL
28. JOHN GIBSON G 6'2 205 L Jul. 14/93 USA U-18 WHL
29. RICKARD RAKELL RW 6'0 191 R May 5/93 Plymouth OHL
30. JONATHAN MILLER C 6'2 205 L Mar. 14/93 USA U-18 USHL

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off the top of my head here are some players who also do not engage in cheapshot hockey

yzerman
sakic
lidstrom
toews
Zetterberg
neidermayer
b. richards


notice a trend?

all won a conn smythe trophy

And how many of those guys complained about it?


Don't be such an apologist.
That is a terrible quote from someone in the playoffs.. in their draft year.

Hell.. id be fine drafting him. BUT THAT IS A TERRIBLE QUOTE.

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And how many of those guys complained about it?


Don't be such an apologist.
That is a terrible quote from someone in the playoffs.. in their draft year.

Hell.. id be fine drafting him. BUT THAT IS A TERRIBLE QUOTE.
how do you know he is complaining.

he was probably asked a question, and like any russian/euro player answered it honestly.

if he came out of the room and started yelling this stuff to reporters, maybe its a red flag. when asked a specific question and answering it is not. the micro analyzing of this is retarded.

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