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04-10-2012, 12:58 PM
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If the Oilers are so lucky as to win the lottery tonight, I think it settles a lot of issues:

-A potential elite LW (Smyth's on the decline from there, Paajarvi may never reach that.)

-What to do with center (Nothing; Yakupov-Gagner-Hemsky is a dynamite second line.)

-What to do on defense (FA or trade. Drafting a stud just isn't the cards.)
I would argue that it would be a mistake for the Oilers to keep the first and draft Yakupov.

The last thing this team needs is more of the same thing.

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04-10-2012, 01:02 PM
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If we win the lottery for first overall,

edm 1st + Lander for cbj 1st + johansen?

probably not fair, but dont think we really need yakupov. I'd rather have Murray+

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04-10-2012, 01:04 PM
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He's pretty much played at RW exclusively in the OHL and internationally.

I wouldn't call him a LW just yet.
His style of play involves driving up the middle of the ice and finding pucks in the high slot; as a lefty shot, I can't see why he couldn't adjust to the left side.

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I would argue that it would be a mistake for the Oilers to keep the first and draft Yakupov.

The last thing this team needs is more of the same thing.
You can have too many 40-goal scorers?

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04-10-2012, 01:05 PM
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If we win the lottery for first overall,

edm 1st + Lander for cbj 1st + johansen?

probably not fair, but dont think we really need yakupov. I'd rather have Murray+
dont think columbus will jumping to overpay to move back up and select a russian.

they might almost be hoping for a loss.




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to see if i get to start throwing all kinds of random trade proposals for the 1st OA. until then its futile.

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I'm definitely less excited about this year's lottery compared to the previous two. I wanted so badly to win the lottery so we could get Hall and RNH. This year.. its almost like.. 'mehhhh.. if we win we win.. if not, no big deal'. For some reason, Yakupov is not a big draw for me as Hall/RNH were. But having said that, I'd probably still be jumping tonight if we win.
i also felt the last 2 years that we as fans deserved the 1st overall pick as our team was garbage... while the results werent much different we saw glipses of the future this season, hence finishing 2nd last instead of last. I dont feel that entitlement to the 1st overall like i did the last 2 years.





hope we win the lottery Yakupov > the rest

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His style of play involves driving up the middle of the ice and finding pucks in the high slot; as a lefty shot, I can't see why he couldn't adjust to the left side.



You can have too many 40-goal scorers?
dimishing returns on great wingers versus giant holes for defensemen who can get them the puck.

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I would argue that it would be a mistake for the Oilers to keep the first and draft Yakupov.

The last thing this team needs is more of the same thing.
yeah more goals and offence would be debilitating

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If we win the lottery for first overall,

edm 1st + Lander for cbj 1st + johansen?

probably not fair, but dont think we really need yakupov. I'd rather have Murray+
If you were Columbus would you trade Grigorenko and Johansen for Yakupov and Lander?

In other words a #1 Center and #2 Center for a #1 Winger and #3 Center.....not quite fair value.

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dimishing returns on great wingers versus giant holes for defensemen who can get them the puck.
Name a defenseman we can't trade hall for. We don't want to, but his value is through the roof. If yakupov is anything like hall and rnh, pick the one you like the least and pick the defencemen you like the most....done deal. Honestly, who couldn't hall or rnh fetch? Doughty? Webber? Pietrangelo? I mean we're talking preference, but you go yakupov with the first pick and enjoy the ride

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Im a huge Murray fan so would I take Nail at #1? Probably but it would be really close for me, the ideal situation is us to keep the #2 spot and pick Murray. The kid is going help teams win cups the same way Toews helped his team win a cup. Hes special.

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04-10-2012, 01:13 PM
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Name a defenseman we can't trade hall for. We don't want to, but his value is through the roof. If yakupov is anything like hall and rnh, pick the one you like the least and pick the defencemen you like the most....done deal. Honestly, who couldn't hall or rnh fetch? Doughty? Webber? Pietrangelo? I mean we're talking preference, but you go yakupov with the first pick and enjoy the ride
rather than showing me that you understand certain guys are unavailable, why dont you actually try to suggest who would be available?

probably not as great as you think.

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rather than showing me that you understand certain guys are unavailable, why dont you actually try to suggest who would be available?

probably not as great as you think.
So if a proven NHLer taken 1st overall can't net this elite D-man, why do you think an unproven one could?

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04-10-2012, 01:20 PM
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You can have too many 40-goal scorers?
Yet the team will still be lacking a good 2nd line center and 1st pairing defenseman which are the most pressing needs.

I know that common knowledge is always draft BPA at #1 but i think this is a special situation for the Oilers since the team has so many needs none of which would be addressed with drafting Yakupov although 2nd line scoring on the wing is important, it's just the least of the most important needs.
Also, they will be holding all the cards with that pick and could get a very nice package for that pick and possibly fill 2 needs in one trade with the player they draft and whoever they get in the package in addition to the pick.

Do you have confidence that the Oilers could so easily get a top pairing defenseman or especially top 6 center on the FA/trade market? If so, i would like to hear your solutions. Which of these top players would sign with the Oilers and which assets do the Oilers have to trade for a top player? IMO the likely answer is none and none.

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Good lord, if that's what he actually said then I have lost all interest in him. He won't survive in the western conference with an attitude like that.

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He's pretty much played at RW exclusively in the OHL and internationally.

I wouldn't call him a LW just yet.
you would think that one of hemsky, eberle or yakupov would be able to move over to the left side.... i certainly wouldn't pass up on yakupov just because he plays RW, where we have 2 top-6 guys already .... if need be, you trade hemsky to make room

i really think one of them would be able to play the other side though

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If Yakupov is on the board you have to take him.... no ifs ands or buts. He's BPA, and he's an asset. He has goal scorer written all over him.

I could see it now, we pass on Yakupov to take Murray who wont make an impact till another couple years while Yakupov is destroying the league on another team.

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If we did end up with Yakupov... I'd move Hemsky to LW. I'd also play them together on the 2nd unit and hope Hemsky finds Yakupov with regularity with the cross-ice one-timers.

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Name a defenseman we can't trade hall for. We don't want to, but his value is through the roof. If yakupov is anything like hall and rnh, pick the one you like the least and pick the defencemen you like the most....done deal. Honestly, who couldn't hall or rnh fetch? Doughty? Webber? Pietrangelo? I mean we're talking preference, but you go yakupov with the first pick and enjoy the ride
exactly... the return on any of the "big 4" (if we got yakupov it would become the "big 4" overnight) would be almost anything we wanted... it would be a short list of dmen we couldn't trade one of them for

take BPA, always, every time, 100% of the time.... and yakupov is the BPA, and it's not even close

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Ryan Murray coming on the team 1260 next. Should send in some good questions.

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If we did end up with Yakupov... I'd move Hemsky to LW. I'd also play them together on the 2nd unit and hope Hemsky finds Yakupov with regularity with the cross-ice one-timers.
hemsky would be my choice for the move to LW as well... he's the most experienced so would likely have the easiest time with it.... yakupov plays on his off-wing (left handed shot on the RW) so is perfectly situated for one-timers... hemsky is still a sublime passer, so this is a combo that would likely work very well... it would also keep yakupov and hall off the same line, as i'm not sure they would work on the same line

hall - RNH - eberle
hemsky - gagner - yakupov

while thats a smallish top-6, it's *ridiculously* talented

edit: jeez, i've just drifted off into la-la-land dreaming about the offence this top-6 would provide, lol.... 3 guys (hall, eberle, yakupov) that should be almost locks for 30+ goals each year and 2 passers (hemsky and RNH) feeding them the biscuit.... a guy can dream, a guy can dream


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IF by some remote chance we end up with Yakupov, wouldn't it just make more sense to roll 3(ish) scoring lines with a disgusting RWs?

Chicago had Kane-Hossa down the RW side when they won.

No need to be changing player positions right away.

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Yet the team will still be lacking a good 2nd line center and 1st pairing defenseman which are the most pressing needs.
We can keep 1/2 of that out of this thread; the Gagner discussion is occurring elsewhere.

As for a 1st pairing defenseman...

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Do you have confidence that the Oilers could so easily get a top pairing defenseman or especially top 6 center on the FA/trade market? If so, i would like to hear your solutions. Which of these top players would sign with the Oilers and which assets do the Oilers have to trade for a top player? IMO the likely answer is none and none.
So, again, there's a fairly blatant paradox on display here: you claim the Oilers don't have the assets to trade for a top player. Let's say they use the 1st overall on Yakupov. That would make an Eberle or Hall expendable. If neither asset is good enough to trade for a top-tier defender, why would the unproven 1st overall be?

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hemsky would be my choice for the move to LW as well... he's the most experienced so would likely have the easiest time with it.... yakupov plays on his off-wing (left handed shot on the RW) so is perfectly situated for one-timers... hemsky is still a sublime passer, so this is a combo that would likely work very well... it would also keep yakupov and hall off the same line, as i'm not sure they would work on the same line

hall - RNH - eberle
hemsky - gagner - yakupov

while thats a smallish top-6, it's *ridiculously* talented
I do like the option of keeping the RWs RWs:

Hall-RNH-Eberle
PF UFA/Trade-Gagner-Yakupov
Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky

I just don't know who might be available to fill that 2nd line spot. Clarke MacArthur?

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