CoRD with continuously flawed commentary. You mistakenly assume that everyone in here are jealous, money hungry material driven people. Money is nice, success is nice. Sure I wouldn't mind the experience of luxury living some time, but I could care less if I never attain what these people have. I can get and have been jealous before, but it sure as hell isn't because of fame/popularity or money, or very rarely at least. Who cares what these people have. If you do, it's sad. You have a very shallow, simplistic outlook on people and reality. Quite frankly its a rather immature, vain one.
CoRD with continuously flawed commentary. You mistakenly assume that everyone in here are jealous, money hungry material driven people. Money is nice, success is nice. Sure I wouldn't mind the experience of luxury living some time, but I could care less if I never attain what these people have. I can get and have been jealous before, but it sure as hell isn't because of fame/popularity or money, or very rarely at least. Who cares what these people have. If you do, it's sad. You have a very shallow, simplistic outlook on people and reality. Quite frankly its a rather immature, vain one.
Did I say that? I was simply explaining to a person who claims NOBODY AT ANY TIME is jealous, that yes, ppl do get jealous. You admit it. I admit it.
I like who I am and what I have. But if you don't look at what you can have, then you're not dreaming. You're not trying to better yourself. Perhaps jealousy isnt the best word. But if you're not looking at ppl as models of what you CAN have, then what are you doing? You're complacent? Cool bro. Have fun with that.
Skrillex isn't great but I don't get the hate surrounding dubstep. If it's not your type of music, fine, but don't say it's **** if you know like 2 artists.
That freakin dork is one of the top names in music? mother of god
Nickleback sucks but I'd listen to it over dubstep. My co worker listens to dubstep. I thought it sounded like a 56k modem initiating and a train coming to a screeching halt. Holy **** was it bad.
Dubstep and all that electronic **** is beyond awful.
You are committing an act of heresy! House and techno have never, and will never be "beyond awful". And I don't accept that it's just your opinion. If so, then your opinion is simply wrong!
Of course I get jealous. EVERYBODY does. The difference is I don't get mad about it. But you can't sit there and tell me you don't want what Beiber has. Or have the money and power that Trump has. If your life is that perfect then great. Maybe you just don't have the capability to feel that emotion at all, or your just hiding it. But everyone is envious, everyone gets jealous. Except for you, the only human on the planet.
And yes, spreading hate and venom on the net does nothing good for anybody. I HATE SO AND SO. Great! Thanks for ****ing sharing. All I see on the news and net is negative ****. It's draining.
Crazy jump in logic. I've been arguing about how nobody gets angry/jealous about celebrities (which you just said you don't either) enough for it to be the reason to be hateful towards people, and you're acting like I'm claiming that I'm the only person in the world who doesn't (even though you just said you don't get mad either) by talking about how everyone including you or me would like to have what they have. That alone doesn't cause people to go ranting about how much they hate a celebrity like you're claiming, so pointing out that everyone would like to have what they have has nothing to do with anything we're talking about.
Jealousy implies bitterness/anger/ill feelings, and you're saying you're jealous but you don't have any of those feelings.
It's like you're rolling your eyes pretending that I'm claiming to be the only person in the world who doesn't get angry/jealous at celebrities while arguing that you're one of the few who don't...... get angry/jealous at celebrities. Doesn't make sense. The shots you're taking are contradicting your own argument.
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CoRD with continuously flawed commentary. You mistakenly assume that everyone in here are jealous, money hungry material driven people. Money is nice, success is nice. Sure I wouldn't mind the experience of luxury living some time, but I could care less if I never attain what these people have. I can get and have been jealous before, but it sure as hell isn't because of fame/popularity or money, or very rarely at least. Who cares what these people have. If you do, it's sad. You have a very shallow, simplistic outlook on people and reality. Quite frankly its a rather immature, vain one.
This is what I feel, and what I think most people feel as well. Only a crazy person would look through their TV screen and get legitimately pissed off at the stranger on the other side because of the money they have. I mean, I could understand if you were friends/family with the artist and grew up with their rise or something, but come'on.
People who get angry and negative about artists they consider bad only do so because they're passionate and possessive about how this artist is really good and deserves alot and that artist is really bad and doesn't deserve much, and as a result they get frustrated when something in reality goes in the opposite direction. It's pretty simple/obvious. To blame it on anything other than that, especially some ridiculously unrealistic bitter, angry jealousy that CoRD himself can't relate with (since he doesn't get upset about it), seems really silly and crazy to me.
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True dubstep still sucks. Any dubstep sucks. And I love electronic music. But I love it when it makes sense, when the sounds, beats, flow, and progressions work in some kind of coherent melody. I can't dance to dubstep it's god awful. At it's best dubstep is a great song that got garbled up. It's like someone ran a magnet over a techno song and distorted it. It's like...how many progressions and transition tricks that would be great to make another song work into one before skipping to the next one. You hear something that sounds like a nice progression and then it cuts off. No dubstep song I've ever heard is a complete song.
Like the best example i have is if you translate a dubstep song into spoken word and make it into a paragraph it would look like this
When I was a boy I-i-i-i-i-i-i-i uh-uh well I, africans make the, oranges aren't better than, what what what? Why why? 7583 blue x y z In tonight's news we, are you ready to....is this how we, blind eyes uh uhuhuhuhuhuh uhmmmm, why did, page one of the, let's go dad, hey dude what's, nice dress.
repeat these phrases a few times, come up with something even crazier, write that twice and use above phrases as filler. Boom you've got a badass dubstep essay.
It's like ADHD if you added like 6 more letters. How people can call this...not just music, but ART is beyond me. And I'm still young. I listen to rave music when I can...there's nothing about these songs that makes sense musically, it's a collection of noises used to show off how sick your sound system is. It doesn't incur any specific kind of emotion...I don't know how it could, it's completely random. The best dubstep songs I've listened (and I'm gonna go ahead and include Skrillex) had beats that seemed to follow some intelligible path and then just entered this wah-wah bull**** breakdown that just killed it. i don't even mind the wahwahwah sounds it's just like, they probably thought, what do I put here now? What makes sense? What they picked was wrong. Sense? None made.
This+screamocore (and it's often that fans of both genres cross over) just make me want to facepalm all day long. I never thought something could make today's pop music look a bit cleaner than trash. I was wrong.
That freakin dork is one of the top names in music? mother of god
Are you that surprised? Look at the state of pop. First of all bands are all but dead as far as pop music goes.
Lil wayne is considered one of the brilliant musical minds of our day...why? He can do a lot of raps. yeah he's got talent, but what exactly is he revolutionizing? He can turn a phrase better than most rappers these days. Compared to 80's-90's rap Weezy wouldn't even hold a candle.
Not saying I don't like pop today...it's fun to listen to, but the truly good music gets lost in translation.
My only faith in music's future is the fact that Adele was so popular. I mean, when was the last time a singer like her was so popular?
And I wouldn't call Skrillex the top of the musical world just yet.
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The majority of the time my dubstep / Skrillex listening is done in the gym, but this has always been one of my favorite songs in any genre:
And for those that say electronic music isn't really music:
What instruments you use doesn't determine whether something is music or not. Yes, because of the instruments used there isn't as much of a live component to the music, but anyone who isn't an idiot realizes that has nothing to do with the quality of the music itself.
Well the problem with the two vids you listed is that a violin always carries it's notes and it isn't used as a beat. Not saying Dubstep isn't music. Maybe I made it seem that way, that was an exaggeration. You could beat your fingers against a desk and it would be music. But on a violin a note will carry even if you strike the strings with the bow quickly. A perfect note will play. In the dubstep songs I've listened to (and I listened to a lot last night after getting a list of "the best of dubstep" from my friends)
so many different sounds are used, a lot of which I really would have liked if they weren't used so poorly, the trancy vocal clips, the synths, the wah wahs, every beat/FX used sounds cool (for the most part) but it's used in such a way that it doesn't make sense. Any of these beats will be cut off so shortly only to be brought back repeatedly but it's...it's similar to dry heaving when you haven't drank or eaten anything and you need to vomit. It's just cut off so abruptly and so nonsensically that for the life of me I can't see how you can correctly dance to the beat without looking like a guy having convulsions.
And especially the breakdowns after the drops...nothing can be done to dance to that beat correctly unless you somehow make your body look like this
and then the progressions and transitions, the best dubstep songs I've heard have actually strongly disappointed me because I'm a fan of techno, trance, and house to an extent...to me the sounds dubstep uses are the coolest, but they don't follow any logical path that makes sense. The best ones I've heard were huge let-downs cause to me a failed progression or an awkward transition here or there just kinda ruined it for me. The best dubstep I've ever heard was the Skrillex-Korn collab...I'm not a big Korn fan by any stretch nor am I a fan of their genre, but with Korn kind of directing the progression and make up of the song, Skrillex's stuff was able to make some kind of sense.
I liken dubstep to an amateur form of an eventual better form of music. To give an example, before college I was in a band, I don't mean to brag but we were pretty great. Our guitarists were phenomenal, the drummer was great, and I think my lyrics were pretty good. And since we were part of the local scene we were pretty well aware of the kind of music around. Anything that wasn't death metal...well it was clear why these bands weren't having much success and operating on their own funds. The lyrics rarely made sense, words with too many syllables were put in places that were awkward, the drummers would enter breakdowns where they didn't apply, the guitarists would play riffs or licks that didn't make sense...they weren't successful because what they were putting out wasn't any good. You couldn't rock to it, you couldn't enjoy it, and the songs were forgettable and those were just the bands who actually had live talent.
To me dubstep, at least it's modern form is like an unsigned band that doesn't have much of a shot but there isn't anyone better. If Skrillex, bassnectar and whoeverelse you want to include are the top dogs of the genre, something's wrong. And that's probably why everyone is so irritated that this is so big.
Trust me while, this annoys me, dubstep is just the flavor of the month. This screamocore s***...the only bands I like out of the genre are Escape the Fate and A day to remember because their clean lyric songs are pretty good. It's utter garbage and it's what's popular these days. The punk bands have been replaced on the pages of mags like AP. Seriously just listen to this stuff. Pick up a brokencyde album, or Alesana, or a punk goes pop.
That really irritates me, I tried listening to the punk goes pop albums...these aren't punk bands. Green Day, my chemical romance, etc. are post punk these days...they deserve the title of a "punk band" more than these clowns. One thing I will say about screamocore though, is at least these guys use instruments...not saying making a song electronically is any easier than making a good song traditionally, but it takes a measure of talent to play well with an instrument and perform live.
All a dubstep dj does is press play and the crowd watches the dj bounce back and forth.
my last word, not not music, but not good music...incomplete at the moment. Until a song makes sense it's bad.
EDIT: Oh and this shouldn't mean much, but FWIW my 50 year old dad...he likes almost everything...part of his mid-life crisis was that he decided to be a DJ. yeah I know. He spends endless hours getting tracks of all kinds and doing mixes. He isn't terrible at it but for the most part he makes song compilations.
He likes almost anything. From the Stones (his preference is classical rock) to My Chemical Romance (he's actually a bigger fan of them than I am. Pretty funny) to Katy Perry to Deadmau5. He always asks me to send him playlists of songs that I think are good. So I sent him my dubstep playlist my friends suggested and sent it to him. He didn't talk to me for 3 days because he "doesn't appreciate me ****ing with him so much, and there was no way I should've expected him to think that music was any good) and this is a guy who LIKES Nickleback. His taste is...well...very open minded. Awful at times, great at times...he hates Dubstep.
Crazy jump in logic. I've been arguing about how nobody gets angry/jealous about celebrities (which you just said you don't either) enough for it to be the reason to be hateful towards people, and you're acting like I'm claiming that I'm the only person in the world who doesn't (even though you just said you don't get mad either) by talking about how everyone including you or me would like to have what they have. That alone doesn't cause people to go ranting about how much they hate a celebrity like you're claiming, so pointing out that everyone would like to have what they have has nothing to do with anything we're talking about.
Jealousy implies bitterness/anger/ill feelings, and you're saying you're jealous but you don't have any of those feelings.
It's like you're rolling your eyes pretending that I'm claiming to be the only person in the world who doesn't get angry/jealous at celebrities while arguing that you're one of the few who don't...... get angry/jealous at celebrities. Doesn't make sense. The shots you're taking are contradicting your own argument.
This is what I feel, and what I think most people feel as well. Only a crazy person would look through their TV screen and get legitimately pissed off at the stranger on the other side because of the money they have. I mean, I could understand if you were friends/family with the artist and grew up with their rise or something, but come'on.
People who get angry and negative about artists they consider bad only do so because they're passionate and possessive about how this artist is really good and deserves alot and that artist is really bad and doesn't deserve much, and as a result they get frustrated when something in reality goes in the opposite direction. It's pretty simple/obvious. To blame it on anything other than that, especially some ridiculously unrealistic bitter, angry jealousy that CoRD himself can't relate with (since he doesn't get upset about it), seems really silly and crazy to me.
Yea jealousy is definitely the wrong term. I didn't really realize it was directly related to anger. I am kinda contradicting myself. My bad
Yea jealousy is definitely the wrong term. I didn't really realize it was directly related to anger. I am kinda contradicting myself. My bad
I'm not sure jealousy requires anger in all cases, but if you're arguing that the reason people hate celebrities is because of jealousy, then I think it only makes sense to be talking about the bitter, resentful kind.
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I'm sick out of my ****ing mind so I'll just do an incoherent point form thing:
- I hope your not using your time spent in a local band as some sort of PhD in I must know more about music than you do
- You never actually successfully refuted my point. The violinists were performing music composed and played by a dub-step artist. The big difference is no one is going to call a violinist a fake musician like they will for an EDM producer.
- Essentially you're saying Dubstep isn't good because you don't like it and because you can't "rock out" to it.
For instance, I can't dance to country music. I could proably do a waltz or salsa to dubstep before I could succesfully dance to any kind of country music (believe me, I've tried). I can't really listen to it because X reason I'm too sick to ******** about right now.
I also don't understand why people continue to bring up that all a EDM DJ does is "press play on his macbook" what do you want them to do? That's the genre. They're not going to pull out a guitar and play it because that isn't a part of the music, just like how some ****** metal band isn't going to whip out a Macbook and drop some sick beats. I don't see why either genre would be chastised for something so stupid.
I'm sick out of my ****ing mind so I'll just do an incoherent point form thing:
- I hope your not using your time spent in a local band as some sort of PhD in I must know more about music than you do
- You never actually successfully refuted my point. The violinists were performing music composed and played by a dub-step artist. The big difference is no one is going to call a violinist a fake musician like they will for an EDM producer.
- Essentially you're saying Dubstep isn't good because you don't like it and because you can't "rock out" to it.
For instance, I can't dance to country music. I could proably do a waltz or salsa to dubstep before I could succesfully dance to any kind of country music (believe me, I've tried). I can't really listen to it because X reason I'm too sick to ******** about right now.
I also don't understand why people continue to bring up that all a EDM DJ does is "press play on his macbook" what do you want them to do? That's the genre. They're not going to pull out a guitar and play it because that isn't a part of the music, just like how some ****** metal band isn't going to whip out a Macbook and drop some sick beats. I don't see why either genre would be chastised for something so stupid.
Use Abelton, use Traktor, get a big mixer with tons of FX and incorporate some live **** into your act, try to actually mix and add some variation to your show. Get some MIDI controllers or some **** in there. His bastardized version of dubstep as a genre doesn't have to be the be all, end all. He's making it become this way and it's gotten gimmicky and terrible. The line has been blurred between producing and DJ'ing and live performance art. All the dude literally does is press play on the ****ing Macbook and the kiddies eat that **** up.
Use Abelton, use Traktor, get a big mixer with tons of FX and incorporate some live **** into your act, try to actually mix and add some variation to your show. Get some MIDI controllers or some **** in there. His bastardized version of dubstep as a genre doesn't have to be the be all, end all. He's making it become this way and it's gotten gimmicky and terrible. The line has been blurred between producing and DJ'ing and live performance art. All the dude literally does is press play on the ****ing Macbook and the kiddies eat that **** up.
I agree to a point. I'd love to see a LIVE EDM performance, and some of the videos I've seen online of beat-boxes and samplers being used live is just amazing. But it's really hard and the big thing with EDM is mixing and beat-matching. Dubstep doesn't really mix that easily but most other DJs (are supposed to) mix live and it's pretty cool.
But what does it matter if he presses play on his macbook and the kids eat it live? Why does it matter?
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So....is it safe to say inb4 the lock yet, because I have a sneaky suspicion that's where this thread is going.
Your contribution doesn't help at all, why even bother? Idiot.
- I hope your not using your time spent in a local band as some sort of PhD in I must know more about music than you do
- You never actually successfully refuted my point. The violinists were performing music composed and played by a dub-step artist. The big difference is no one is going to call a violinist a fake musician like they will for an EDM producer.
- Essentially you're saying Dubstep isn't good because you don't like it and because you can't "rock out" to it.
1. Not at all. I don't even consider myself...smart in my own genre. Don't even stress.
2. That's not what I meant though. I meant it in the context of what the beats end up sounding like in it's base form vs how it sounds with instruments. I don't think all music has to be done instrumentally. I already said that I listen to techno and trance.
3. No, you're taking my point and demonizing it so it looks like I'm just ignorant and don't know what I'm talking about. I think it's not good because it's music if music was done wrong. The reason I made the local band comparison was to say that any song that doesn't follow a path that makes some melodic sense is going to sound like crap. I'm not saying every song has to be structured exactly the same, but seriously it's like taking a bouncy ball, putting it in a bottle and shaking it around as hard as you can. It's all over the place. It doesn't go anywhere that makes logical sense.
And I'm done talking about this. I don't like it. Until it goes in a direction that sounds more appealing then random noises bursting up all over the place I'm not going to change my mind.
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Skrillex's music is bad and dubstep is probably the worst variation of techno music possible.
Listen to Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites. The song is good until it turns into basically a diarrhea explosion of bass, void of any musical prowess.
No, you're taking my point and demonizing it so it looks like I'm just ignorant and don't know what I'm talking about. I think it's not good because it's music if music was done wrong. The reason I made the local band comparison was to say that any song that doesn't follow a path that makes some melodic sense is going to sound like crap. I'm not saying every song has to be structured exactly the same, but seriously it's like taking a bouncy ball, putting it in a bottle and shaking it around as hard as you can. It's all over the place. It doesn't go anywhere that makes logical sense.
And I'm done talking about this. I don't like it. Until it goes in a direction that sounds more appealing then random noises bursting up all over the place I'm not going to change my mind.
I've already commented about this and posted an example of a track that doesn't sound anything like what you're describing, so I'll put it in different words: you've only listened to **** dubstep if you feel this way about the genre as a whole. I can't force you to change your opinion or listen to different artists, but you're just taking your narrow view of the genre and applying it to everything. Not all dubstep is random screeches and fart noises. Hell, none of it sounded like that until a couple years ago. It'd be like listening to Fall Out Boy, assuming that that's what punk sounds like, and then trashing the genre. It doesn't make sense.
I've already commented about this and posted an example of a track that doesn't sound anything like what you're describing, so I'll put it in different words: you've only listened to **** dubstep if you feel this way about the genre as a whole. I can't force you to change your opinion or listen to different artists, but you're just taking your narrow view of the genre and applying it to everything. Not all dubstep is random screeches and fart noises. Hell, none of it sounded like that until a couple years ago. It'd be like listening to Fall Out Boy, assuming that that's what punk sounds like, and then trashing the genre. It doesn't make sense.
Have to agree with this one. Dubstep have never, and probably will never, be my type of music, but I can understand why some people like it. Good dubstep though, not brostep.
But the thing is, most people these days listen to music on crappy laptop speakers or ipod earbuds where you can't really enjoy good dubstep or techno, tech-house or deep prog house. That's why you see artists like Skrillex, Avicii and Guetta, who has a focus on mid-range sounds being the most popular acts in EDM.
You are committing an act of heresy! House and techno have never, and will never be "beyond awful". And I don't accept that it's just your opinion. If so, then your opinion is simply wrong!
